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44 mag for bear
« on: November 10, 2004, 05:12:56 AM »
Would a 44  Ruger Deerfield Carbine be good for black bears
I am not looking at shots more the 50 yards
and planing on useing  275 JHP

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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2004, 07:22:34 PM »
USNAVYABH,
I would rather see you use one of the round nose or better still some thing with a wide frontal area. The hp has a tendency to break up. I would even consider a hard cast heavy bullet on bear. My thought is you may not get a good pass through and won't have a good blood trail to follow.
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2004, 11:27:45 PM »
Thanks for the Info
I have been looking and its hard to find round nose
.44 MG in round rose what brand do you prefer
Thanks Tom

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Re: 44 mag for bear
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2004, 12:53:32 AM »
Quote from: USNAVYABH
Would a 44  Ruger Deerfield Carbine be good for black bears? I am not looking at shots more the 50 yards
and planing on useing  275 JHP


Tom, the problem with your carbine, is the action - you gotta' use loads with a kinda' rounded nose so they feed reliably.   The most effective bullet styles for BEAR are HEAVY, hard cast with a long, flat nose.   They feed pretty good in lever actions, but not so well in a little autoloading carbine.   Bears are tough and dangerous compared to any other game animal you might hunt in North America.  A BIG Boar might top 600-700lbs.   They won't show you any mercy or give you time to clear a jam in your carbine.   I would rather see you using a big, full bore hard cast 12ga slug in a Rem 870 pump at that 50 yard range!  


http://home.mchsi.com/~dave.webb/slug4.jpg

This big 12ga slug above is the all NEW Dixie Slugs X-Terminator that goes 1400fps from a 24" fully rifled barrel at only 10,600psi.   This is clearly the most powerful full bore slug on the market today.   It would be my first choice in a BLACK BEAR load from a low cost pump or auto shotgun inside 75/100 yards.    

More shotgun slug discussion, video clips and stopping power comparisons on:  

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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2004, 01:35:07 AM »
OK
Well I am just trying to get some info
I am in the Navy over seas at the moment
but cannt wait to go back to Mich and try for bear
and of course deer
well thanks so the Info
good luck in your season

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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2004, 01:44:28 AM »
Tom, please know you and all your shipmates are in our thoughts and prayers - especially as we celebrate VETERANS DAY TODAY!  

GOD bless all of America's Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines making America safer for Democracy!  

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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2004, 02:58:50 AM »
Thanks Gowge

Well it will be a wile until I come home
about 4 years but checking the hunting and fishing Forum help pass the time
I will be back for a month in 2006 thou and hope the deer and game are thick LOl
So I am glad I found this Forum

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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2005, 12:05:50 PM »
I load the 270gr GDFP's with 21gr's H110 for my wife's s/s Ruger 77/44 44 mag rifle and we're getting about 1560fps velocity.

This is my wife's camp/hiking/protection rifle when we're in the bush. She is not really into shooting much but can hold her own with this little accurate rifle.

This load makes the gun jump a bit for her but she doesn't mind knowing that this load will stop almost any black bear that she might encounter.

I'm in the middle of purchasing a used but almost never fired 6" S&W 629 44 mag and will probably use these same loads when I'm in bear country.
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2005, 12:37:58 PM »
The 270-grain GDFP should be an excellent choice for black bear in the the Deerfield carbine, as are the 250-grain Nosler Partition and Hornady 265-grain bullets; the only caveat is feeding.  All three bullets perform very well in their velocitiy windows.  Those who have not shot bear seem to think that they are almost bulletproof - that is not the case.  Experienced bear hunters know that penetration is necessary, but so is expansion.   An excellent example is the .35 Remington, which has for many decades performed very well on black bear with its rather soft 200-grain factory bullets.
 
Ruger warns not to use non-jacketed bullets in the Deerfield; I realize that many shooters do use cast bullets in this rifle, but they do so at the risk of functional problems in the future.  Too, loads with an overall length over 1.61" may not function in the rather short magazine.  Some have reported miss-feeds with ammo longer than 1.55".  One of the problems with many good cast bullets is their excessive overall loaded length.

Perhaps a good compromise is the Sierra 250-grain FPJ bullet.  It has a flat point for quick energy transfer, won't foul the carbine's gas system, and will penetrate deeply.  And no expansion so it would keep the cast bullet boys happy too.   :wink: