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« on: May 20, 2005, 03:35:25 AM »
Mine was the first 44 magnum load I developed for my Contender. I used Lyman data and Win 231 powder to drive a commercially cast bullet at a published velocity of around 800fps. However, the actual velocity was much higher and led to the most unbelievable lead fouling I have seen. The grooves were actually filled with lead for a length of two to three inches from the chamber. It took hours to remove it.

Then there were the .221 fireball loads I developed for my factory 10" Contender barrel. When I used any of the plastic tipped bullets, they tumbled out of the barrel.  I remember the first one I fired. I shot it through my chronograph to test the velocity. It left a nice sideways bullet hole through one of the sensors. The chrono was only 10 feet away from the muzzle at the time, so you can imagine how unstable that bullet was.
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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2005, 04:40:52 AM »
My step son had the desire to shoot my .300 win mag when he was about 10. In order for him to do so that I loaded up a small batch of 100 gr. Speer round nose .308 bullets...the kind with the exposed lead. I found a reduced load for them in an older Speer loading book using IMR4064 I believe. I started out shooting them to make corrections for POA......it was impossible. They shot so bad that there was no correction. Even getting them on paper was "hit or miss"....mostly miss.

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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2005, 05:11:10 AM »
The worst load ever, was taken out of the Speer # 8 manual.  It was Norma 205 with a 200 gr. bullet. It wasen't even the top listed load for 205, I think it was the second one down. Anyway it froze the bolt shut, expanded the head of the case .011, blew the primer. I had to pound the bolt open, and I never did find that primer This happened in the second month of my initial metalic loading experience. I still have that case as a reminder for "ol' stupid".....me! The gun held up OK and ended up wearing out two different barrels with it. At the time I only had one manual. Now I have over 30 of them and cross check everything. Ol' stupid  still lives and has been reloading for 37years now.
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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2005, 05:18:08 AM »
Tried to paper patch a 308 bullet with cigarette paper to shoot out of my SMLE.  The few bullets that hit paper at 25 yards were keyholed.  Haven't given up on it yet though

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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2005, 05:28:55 AM »
My wost load developed was actually with 12 gauge and was a drinking accident with my old Herters re-loader.  The screw was loose that holds the powder/shot drum in the measure.  It started to fall out and I put it back in upside down.  In my 'state of stupidity'...I was loading the powder with the shot measure, and the shot with the powder measure.  I went up the hill and learned why to NOT DRINK while re-loading.
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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2005, 06:59:10 AM »
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My wost load developed was actually with 12 gauge and was a drinking accident with my old Herters re-loader.  The screw was loose that holds the powder/shot drum in the measure.  It started to fall out and I put it back in upside down.  In my 'state of stupidity'...I was loading the powder with the shot measure, and the shot with the powder measure.  I went up the hill and learned why to NOT DRINK while re-loading.


Good idea of all the things a person can do while drinking this hobby has to be one of the most dangerous. I wonder what possessed you to do it in the first place? Not being judgmental as we all have done dumb  things while having a few but this kinda sits in the area as smoking in the powder shed. Jim
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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2005, 11:08:01 AM »
It's a toss-up...

...between my first wife and my second wife...

...they were both a load...

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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2005, 11:28:37 AM »
A 0.314", 168 gr Spitzer cast bullet load in a 303 Brit.  Beautiful 4" groups of 5 shots.  Every single one of them were a perfect silhouette of the bullet.  Range - 15 yards after ATTEMPTING to get them on paper at 50 yds.  Oh, 3 of them were touching...
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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2005, 11:44:19 AM »
.45-70 300 grain cast bullet going about 1600 fps. Probably an 8 inch group at 100 yards. Five of them and the entire barrel was leaded. Turns out microgroove really doesn't like plain base cast bullets.  Luckily birchwood casey borescrubber takes lead right out. After that i switched to gas checked and the old marlin shoots 3/4" groups at 100 with the same load.  No leading at all now either.

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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2005, 02:08:52 PM »
'06, IMR 4350, 165 Nosler Partition, ?CCI primers?, at 100yards would consistantly put 4 in a 1/2 to 3/4" group and one somewhere off in space, not even on paper, I think I'd have prefered a 10" group to this one consistant flier.  I finally got around to changing primers and everything worked out nicely.  This is the 25th year for this same load/gun combination.  I only shoot this gun about 100 rounds a year, but it's still my "go-to" gun when things are important or expensive.
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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2005, 04:54:02 PM »
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[Not being judgmental as we all have done dumb  things while having a few but this kinda sits in the area as smoking in the powder shed. Jim

 You won't get any arguement from me.  It was pretty durn stupid.
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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2005, 04:26:44 AM »
Okay, on the serious side...if by "worst" you mean the most difficult to find a load for, here is my submission:

The .25-06 was a real "bitch" to get to perform to my wishes!

It took me almost 6 years to finally find a load that would shoot a 5-shot group at 100-yards of less than 1/2-inch!

The Ruger 77, out of the box was miserable. Probably the worst rifle I had ever purchased. The trigger was way too heavy, at around 10 pounds, the creep and backlash was extremely excessive.

I did my usual "Ruger Trigger Tune-Up". After careful application of files, emery paper, polishing compound and Colgate toothpaste I finally managed to get the trigger down to around 2-1/2 pounds, with absolutely no creep and no backlash. A trigger this light and sensitive is not generally advisable on a hunting rifle, however, that is where I set all my rifles for working up a load. There is enough adjustment on the Ruger trigger to bring it up to around 4 pounds, which is much more safe for a big-bore rifle used for hunting purposes.

As usual I wanted to use Remington brass, Remington primers and the fantastic Sierra Hollow Point Boat Tail bullets. So I purchased 1,000 pieces of Remington Brass all of the same lot number, and 3,000 of the Sierra bullets, again of the same lot number. I loaded 150 cases with around 37 grains of IMR-3031, and used these loads to fireform the brass, and to lap and break-in the barrel.

After I fireform my cases I only neck size them just enough to firmly hold the bullet, which usually only resizes about half the neck.

Then I started selecting powders...first I loaded some IMR-3031, in 0.3 grain increments from 37.0 grains to 43.0 grains. Results were lousy!

Next powder selection was IMR-4064 from 39.0 grains to 45.0 grains. Results were lousy!

I broke open a canister of IMR-4350 and loaded from 44.0 grains to 51.0 grains. Results were not that great...

I then tried H-450 from 49.0 grains to 54.0 grains. Results were lousy!

H-380 (what the hell, I had a ton of it...) from 39.0 grains to 44.0 grains. Results sucked!

I went back to IMR powders, this time 4320, and loaded from 39.0 grains to 45.0 grains. Same-o, same-o!

Next in line was IMR 4831, from 43.0 grains to 53.0 grains. Disgusting!

With all these powders, and all these loads, the 5-shot groups ran from 3 inches to, would you believe, 7-1/2 inches!

I was beside myself! I figured I would try one more powder, H-4831, so I loaded from 44.5 grains to 55.0 grains. WHAT? All the groups with this powder, regardless of the load, ran between 2 and 2-1/2 inches! I was amazed!!

To see if this was a fluke, I ran those loads again, and received the same results. So it looked like H-4831 was the powder of choice.

My next step was to take the most accurate load and start playing with seating depth, varying .001 inch down to .01 inch under my measured "ideal" overall length. (The way I find "ideal" overall length is to carbon up a bullet, semi-firmly set it way out in the case, and then gently close the action of the rifle. I want the bullet just touching the rifling...no free-bore for me!

Well, it turned out that my "ideal" length was the most accurate, but I still only got groups of 2 inches at 100 yards...4 times larger than my requirements.

I had just finished loading some .257 Roberts for a friend, and he specified the Nosler 120 grain bullets for his loads, so I had a bunch of them laying around. I decided to see what would happen with them. Was I ever surprised when the group sizes dropped to 1-1/2 inches! (I'm not a Nosler fanatic...) But, a 25% improvement was worth noting.

Still not satisfied with a 1-1/2 inch, 5-shot group at 100 yards, I started working on the bedding of the Ruger. I did what I have done to every other Ruger 77 that I have ever owned. I sanded off that damn knob at the end of the forearm! And free-floated the entire barrel from the front of the receiver to the end of the forearm, enough to fit 3 thick business cards all the way down without touching metal and wood.

Groups dropped to 1-inch!

Still not satisfied, I decided that I would try different primers...first Remington large magnum rifle...groups flew all to hell!

Next Federal regular and magnum...a total disaster!

CCI weren't any better, regardless of regular or magnum.

I had a thousand or two of the Winchester WLR primers, and before I used the rifle for a crowbar I decided that I had tried everything else, so why not them?

HOT-DAMN!!! Groups dropped to 0.489 inches instantly! And they stayed there!

I loaded a bunch more, using the Nosler bullets, the Winchester primers, Remington brass, and 53.3 grains of H-4831. Groups continually ran between 0.357 and 0.489, for 5-shots at 200 yards...

I had found my load...but it wasn't with the Sierra bullet...AND I WANTED TO USE THAT SIERRA BULLET!

I loaded some more cases with the Winchester primers and again used H-4831 powder, loading in 0.1 grain increments from 52.3 to 54.3 grains...stuck the Sierra bullet on top.

At 52.5 grains the .25-06 started printing 5-shot, 200 yard groups of between .258 and .308 inches!

Being kinda partial to IMR-4350, I decided that I wanted to try that powder once again...this time with the free-floated barrel and the Winchester primers, and naturally the Sierra bullet. I found that 47.7 grains of IMR-4350 gave the exact same velocities, and accuracy as the H-4831 loads! I was impressed!

After several hunting trips, and many, many one-shot kills, that load with the Sierra bullet is my favorite .25-06 load. It took 6 years to find it, but I have been using it ever since. As a matter of fact, I made my longest 1-shot kill several years ago on an antelope. The distance was 704 yards...measured by me and two witnesses, FIVE times!

As usual, once I find a load that I like, that is where I stay...generally for life, since I have several thousand bullets, tens-of-thousands of primers, and cases of powder all of the same lot number...and 1000 cases will last a long time...

I don't know how any of these loads will work in your .25-06...but think they are worth a try if you are not totally satisfied with what you are now shooting.

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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2005, 06:42:36 AM »
Thanks Steve
I learned a lot from that "Quest for Accuracy" you just took us on.
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2005, 08:59:49 AM »
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It's a toss-up...

...between my first wife and my second wife...

...they were both a load...


AMEN!!!!!!!
Except I'm counting on the 2nd to be a POA for me.  :grin:
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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2005, 12:01:22 PM »
my worst loads--anything with hornady interbond bullets. They spray the target like buckshot.

Conversly, hornady interlock bullets are the most accurate I've tried...

Go figure :?

I've got some match kings loaded up for my 308, and I can't wait to get a chance to try 'em out.

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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2005, 03:52:39 AM »
Steve: Surely there's a typo...you didn't mean that a Ruger hunting rifle aggs between .129 and .154 MOA at 200 yards, did you?

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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2005, 04:14:09 PM »
I think my worst batch was some really light .270win round for groundhog.

I'm thinking the slugs were some 90gr JHP's in front of max powder loads.

They sure did rip through the air, muzzle blast would deffen someone in the next county, grouping was variably bad to really bad.  2" groups on day, 15" the next.

...did make one fat groundhog look like swallowed a grenade though.  :D
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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2005, 11:38:33 AM »
I had gotten this idea in my head to try some of those sabots for .30 cal rifles using .224 bullets. They don't work,I could hit something the size of a Buick about half of the time at 50 yds.

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« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2005, 08:46:12 PM »
270Win.

I bought a new Savage in 270Win in the hopes to make me a varmint rifle so to speak.

I went out and purchased 500 Winchester brass, new dies, box of 90gr. Speer TNT, 90gr HP. Sierra, and 100gr. Remington Bulk bullets.

Got a few pounds of powder to start with to see what bullet liked what powder. (I had most of the powder on hand)

I used R19, R22, H414, H380, H4895, IMR4350, IMR4320, and IMR4895.

On the primers I used Winchester Magnum and Regular, and CCI Magnum and Regular.

Before I started all this hubb bubba I was given 12 rounds of 130gr. Nosler B-Tip Hunting rounds my buddy uses on deer every year. I zeroed the scope and shot a 5 shot group at 100 yards that was just under ¾” I really thought I had a shooter.
 
Well after I reloaded over 275 rounds with the best 3 shot group at 100 yards being just less than 2” I gave up.


After all my shooting and failure to get what I called a varmint hunting load I shot the 130gr. Load and the rifle shot the same as before so I figured this Savage in Win. 270 wouldn’t shoot what I wanted and needed a new home.

Needless to say a guy at work that watched me from the beginning of this project to end bought the rifle and has since killed 5 deer with the 130gr load.

Lesson learned; don’t try to load bullet weights that a caliber wasn’t really meant to use in the first place.

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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2005, 08:45:47 PM »
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Lesson learned; don’t try to load bullet weights that a caliber wasn’t really meant to use in the first place.


I guess that also applies to my "worst load" story.  I tried to get a Howa 1500 in 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser to shoot the new Speer 90 gr TNT HP, figured it would make a nice rock chuck load.  Tried with multiple different powders from IMR-4064 to Reloder 19 as well as others, couldn't get it to group 3 shots at 100 yards on a 8.5"x11" piece of paper.  Had to staple several together side by side to measure its' 7 plus inch groups.  I guess the 1 in 9" twist rate plus extremely long throat means you really can't expect to shoot 120 gr and under bullets decently.  With the 129 and 140 gr bullets, no problem getting reasonable groups of 3 shots under 2 inches at 100 yards, but for the 100 gr and under bullets"  fuggitaboudit!

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« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2005, 09:23:45 PM »
My worst was also a light bullet in a big case - 300 win mag.  I was trying to use up some H414 in a light plinker load with 110 or 130 gr bullets - can't remember.  Don't know if I contaminated the primers or if the primers weren't hot enough or if there wasn't enough powder to light well.  Anyway, pulling the trigger resulted in a click of the firing pin falling, a pause then a bang. Really unnerving and of course with my concentration blown there was no accuracy.  After 5 shots I pulled the rest and found another use for the H414.
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