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Offline mjbgalt

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« on: April 25, 2005, 05:59:27 PM »
i have an encore in .204. what i want to do is get a couple more barrels. i have decided on a deer caliber and maybe larger game. i am deciding between 7-08, .308, and 30-06.

the 30-06 has the reputation, the flexibility, and the longevity. the cost for ammo is low. is it going to punish me in a light single shot?

the 7-08 is popular, flat shooting, and low recoiling. the cost for ammo is high.

How about the .308? cheap ammo sometimes, how is it for recoil?


what do you guys think of my options? anything i am overlooking?

-Matt
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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2005, 02:12:24 AM »
All good choices, but I would go with the 30-06 just for the heavier bullet ability. JMHO  :D
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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2005, 02:21:52 AM »
ok but is it going to loosen my fillings with the recoil lol?

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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2005, 02:21:53 AM »
I have a 308... recoil was a bit firm until I put a limbsaver pad on it.  They have one at Cabelas that is prefit and screws on right where the old one does.  Now I can shoot it all day.

If you want to shoot a heavier bullet, I've had trouble with the 308 in my limited experience with it.  Shoots 180 gr at about a 3-4" group using the Federal Vital Shock.  Shoots 3/4" groups using 148 gr Wolf FMJ.  I haven't had a chance to try out the 165 gr stuff yet.

If you're a reloader it probably doesn't matter.  But this is definitely the more finicky gun I've ever had when it comes to ammo and accuracy.  I know it's capable... but it's hard to buy any old thing for it.
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2005, 05:11:37 AM »
I really like my 270 winchester barrel on a wood stock. weight is not an issue to carry and recoil is not an issue. dave
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2005, 04:23:18 PM »
I've owned the 308, 30-06 and (not on your original list) 25-06.

I absolutely love the 25-06 with 100 grain Sierra flat base for Deer and Elk. Can't ask for a better weapon and bullet. And my Encore appears to be a shooter in that caliber as well...another plus.

Between the 308 and 30-06, (if you stick with your original list) I'd go 308.

It is a great shooter and it doesn't k-t-s out of ya like the 30-06. I find absolutely NO FUN in shooting a 30-06
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2005, 04:26:47 PM »
what i meant was that i had decided on a DEER caliber, as in i decided i wanted a chambering that could take deer, not that i had decided which one.

i am not into buying 50 barrels so i want to have 3 or 4 that i can switch between that can do it all.

the 204 takes care of varmints...i am thinking maybe a .223 for plinking but once i add in the cost of the barrel it will take a long time for me to even out the cost- might as well jus buy $250 worth of 204 ammo.

the 7-08 i hear a lot of good about. what i want is something i can hunt whitetail, elk, black bear, and mule deer with.

now that you know more info...does anything change?

-Matt
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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2005, 04:35:20 PM »
If you’re concerned about the “thump” on your shoulder, the 25-06 is the choice for a big game cartridge. I can’t tell the difference between the 308 and the 30-06 in like bullet weights. The 25-06 is going to “hit you” but not as hard. By the way, I own all of the rounds mentioned.
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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2005, 04:40:35 PM »
ok now i am confused. when i had a .243 everyone said how light it was and how it wouldnt take deer because it only shot 100 grain bullets. now youre telling me that a 100 grainer from a 25-06 can take an ELK??

someone isnt right here.


can anyone explain this?

-Matt
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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2005, 04:41:06 PM »
Any of the calibers you say are good for deer.

I think the 7mm and 30.06 are ultimately the most versitile, but if it's just for hunting who cares about the cost of each round really.  Especially if you reload.

.308 is as solid as either of those as a deer round.  It is super cheep to shoot.  The plinking rounds I've gotten for it are only about 10 or 11 cents a round (Indian surplus)... Wolf is only about 20 cents a round.  Hard to beat those prices.

In my limited experience you're not going to get super accuracy with the heavier bullets (180gr) out of the .308... so it might not be ideal for the very large game you mention.


If I had to pick 4 (rifle) barrels.

209x50
.223
.308
7mm-08

... perhaps a 45-70

I might get one of those pistol barrels as an alternative to the .7mm or .308... but I will warn you that the legality of putting that on a rifle isn't exactly certain according to some of the people in here... but I will save that discussion for the other threads.
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2005, 04:53:08 PM »
The 7mm-08,,, I don’t know anything about firsthand. But looking at the info I have, although it's not a 308 or a 30-06, it will “thump” you too. Bullet weight is important here. Bullet weight and the speed that the bullet jumps out of the barrel make a difference.

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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2005, 05:04:36 PM »
actually the 7-08 is one of the lighter recoiling calibers in this class. it has about the same as a .243.

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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2005, 05:08:51 PM »
Thinking a little longer... if I had the money...

209x50
.223 Bull barrel
45-70 w/peep site
308 or 7mm
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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2005, 05:09:51 PM »
If you want to go with the ones you mentioned, I would go 7-08.  If you want to look at something else, then go 25-06.  Loved mine, 26" Hvy, and was getting 3/4" at 100 yards.  And I'm not that great of a shot. :sniper:
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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2005, 06:18:31 PM »
ok i looked up the ballistics and it looks like the 7mm-08 and .25-06 are the two choices now. thanks guys, for telling me more about the '06.


when i compared the .243 and .25-06 it wasnt even close. now i see the difference.

maybe i will buy both those. the .25-06 for heavier varmints my .204 wont do in, and for deer use. and the 7mm-08 for anything bigger.

-Matt
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2005, 02:57:49 PM »
I've pretty much shot 308 for everything.  I've taken a few deer with it and a few elk.  The longest elk was a laser ranged 354 yards.  1 shot with 165 Partition and 47 gr 748.  I've had better luck with accuracy from a 308 than with a 30-06.  Haven't shot any 25-06 though.
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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2005, 03:36:51 PM »
i looked at remington's site where they let you compare ballistics. after looking at all choices i am down to .270 and 7mm-08.

the 30-06 wasnt what i wanted exactly and neither was the .25-06. the .270 did everything either '06 did and better, as far as i could tell.

maybe i will buy both lol.

now we are down to availability and ammo cost and inherent accuracy of calibers.

any more thoughts?

-Matt
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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2005, 04:08:00 PM »
I have owned all the 308, 7-08, and 30-06 all in 15" pistol barrels for the Encore and the only one that had a little bite was the 30-06 with bullets above 180 grains.  I would find it tough though to choose the best of three.  I don't know if this helps or not.
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« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2005, 06:24:18 PM »
If I was concerned about recoil, I would choose the .270 Win and my second choice would be the 25-06. Both are light kicking and megadeath on deer out to 300 yards

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« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2005, 04:38:30 AM »
Matt;
If I was to pick between the 3 you listed for deer, hands down, I'd pick the 7mm-08!  
If I was going to hunt deer and elk, I'd pick the 308!
The 308 has pretty much the same versatility as the 30-06, only with not quite so much authority!
If I was going to include moose and the big bears, I'd pick the 30-06!

Recoil order is; 7mm-08, 308, 30-06 with comparable weight bullets!
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« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2005, 11:31:44 AM »
i got the 7mm-08 barrel this past week from our own Charlie C.

-Matt
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« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2005, 08:17:35 AM »
:grin: first i think he is asking only about pistol barrels , if it was me i would look into the new 30,06 low recoil ammo , haven't trie it yet but will bet it will bring the recoil down a little making it better for the handgun hunter , just my thought, :shock:
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