Author Topic: Thinking about a .358 (Read 1165 times)

animal · « **on:** August 20, 2005, 06:01:38 AM »

I am considering adding a .358 winchester barrel for my T C Encore. Do any of ya hunt with one? Do ya like it? Can ya find any decent bullets for reloading? Thanks for any comments. I'll be using it for larger deer maybe elk in the future.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** August 20, 2005, 06:15:37 AM »

Haven't shot a .358 win, but just bought a 35 whelen, there are lot's of .358 bullets to choose from...

http://www.midwayusa.com/ebrowse.exe/browse?TabID=1&Categoryid=7284&categorystring=9315***652***675***9016***

animal · « **Reply #2 on:** August 20, 2005, 10:23:37 AM »

maybe the Whelen is the way to go since both the 358 and 35 Whelen come in 24 inch barrels it may be wiser to go w the 06 case vs the 308 case.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #3 on:** August 20, 2005, 11:44:12 AM »

That would depend on what action you want to shoot, a fast handling lever gun in .358Win would be a nice choice depending on the kind of country you plan on hunting. The 200fps you give up to the Whelen would not likely be noticed by any critter you kill with it. I've killed a lot of elk with a 308Win BLR, have never felt under gunned compared to my huntin partner who shoots an '06 bolt gun.

Thebear_78 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 20, 2005, 03:05:26 PM »

The thing with the encore is that regardless of cartridge length the action is still the same. Might as well go with the whelen in an encore. If you wanted a nice short action then its hard to go wrong with the 358.

animal · « **Reply #5 on:** August 20, 2005, 04:34:28 PM »

Thanks for the thoughts . Does the Whelen kick much more than an 06 with comparable weight bullets. Recoil is somewhat of a concern.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #6 on:** August 20, 2005, 04:53:49 PM »

It looks like their recoil is pretty close to the same....

http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

Ramrod · « **Reply #7 on:** August 20, 2005, 05:40:25 PM »

Ahh, the .358 Winchester. I have always thought that it would be a great Eastern woodland deer-bear-hog gun, if it were ever chambered in a decent autoloader. Alas, after 30 years of waiting for Remington. Winchester, and Ruger to see this simple fact, I have given up. So I just use an 1100 with slugs.
BTW, quickdtoo, from my experiance, I would have to say the .35 Whelen has noticably more kick than the .30-06 in equal weight rifles.

Slamfire · « **Reply #8 on:** August 20, 2005, 07:33:03 PM »

I suppose if you thought of a .356, it would be harder to find ammo, but the advise on the Whelen is sound. Yes bullet weight will mke a noticable increase in recoil, so get on of the sorbethane recoil pads, A Limbsaver or Kick Eze.

Black Jaque Janaviac · « **Reply #9 on:** September 19, 2005, 09:21:52 AM »

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Does the Whelen kick much more than an 06 with comparable weight bullets. Recoil is somewhat of a concern.

I would expect that recoil would be the same or less with comparable weight bullets. But the whole point of going with a .35 is NOT to use comparable weight bullets as a .30.

Another point to consider is that the Whelen actually has 3 factory rounds available. Remington has a 200 grain and 250 grain loads, and Federal has a 225 grain load.

Harry Snippe · « **Reply #10 on:** September 26, 2005, 08:17:46 AM »

Quote from: Ramrod

Ahh, the .358 Winchester. I have always thought that it would be a great Eastern woodland deer-bear-hog gun, if it were ever chambered in a decent autoloader. Alas, after 30 years of waiting for Remington. Winchester, and Ruger to see this simple fact, I have given up. So I just use an 1100 with slugs.
BTW, quickdtoo, from my experiance, I would have to say the .35 Whelen has noticably more kick than the .30-06 in equal weight rifles.

I agree the 358 w is a great little cartridge. It came to replace the 348 winchester . What killed it at first was the need to have every thing Mag gun. Stay whith in 250 yards and it will take just about anything in North America. What is killing it now is the price of ammo.
Then I think now it would take off big to the eastern hunter if the price of Ammo was not as much as it is .Who really wants to pay all that money when you can buy 308 ammo a lot cheaper and use it for the same game
Now the 358W is back in the BLR . I bought one and really like it .As a reloader I can afford to shoot it as in the price of home rolled . Then as a reloader I can launch a big 220/250 gr. bullet at a big black bear or moose , and get it to pass through with a big enough hole that the animal is not going to go anywhere.

Recoil Well I am shooting the 189 gr. through to the 225 gr bullets and say the only hurtin' is from the hot end. I say the recoil is more to that of the 308. Then again the new BLR has a wonderful recoil pad, and being a 200 lb man I do not notice it at all.

Now before I bought my BLR , I was looking at a rifle that was rebored from a 308. Since the 308 is the parent cartridge there is nothing more to be done than to open up the barrel to 358.

So if you had a remmington Auto or Pump you could have it rebored to shoot the 358. That would be awsome.

Trouble is trying to find a shot out 308W so you could afford the conversion. Two hundred bucks Canadain was one quote.
Then you got a fine rifle , but you need to reload to get the full protenial out this gun.
You could also have a model 98 chambered to 358W .

To buy an older bolt , say a ruger in 358W you pretty well need to sell your first born. they are gone to collectors.

Now if you don't want all the trouble go with the 3006 or 35 Whalen.
It is all you really need.
Happy

dave hall · « **Reply #11 on:** September 27, 2005, 11:23:43 PM »

I love the .358 cal.,too.I have mine in a new Ruger 77-350 Rem. Mag..
The number of different rifles you can get any .358 are small,but I was impressed by the bullet selection the bullet companys have.I'm going to try the Barnes X 180gr. on whitetail this year. Have fun shooting guys.