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NYS Rifle Hunting in Southern Tier is ON the Govenor's Desk!
« on: August 29, 2005, 08:42:58 AM »
I just got off the phone with Senator Dale Volker's Office. He sponsored the Rifle Hunting  Bill in the Sothern Tier. His Secretary told me this Bill is ON the Govenor's desk right now and has been! He has only until tommorow night ( 12 PM) to sign it or its history. In my opinion with his record with Sportsmen, I think this Bill will die and never get signed by him. Hope I'm wrong as I would like to see it happen.

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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2005, 11:41:37 AM »
I would like to know the reason why the Govenor would not want to sign the bill into law. There are many people that are for the new law and there was a vast majority of the Senate and Legislature  that voted for it.

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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2005, 12:27:45 PM »
I know we beat this subject to death on another thread, but I'll be one happy camper if Pataki lets it die. Most of the "vast majority" in favor of this bill don't live in the line of fire. I, and most of the other folks who oppose it do. By not signing, the Governor will just be doing his job, protecting the citizens in the affected areas from the will of a majority of outsiders.
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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2005, 01:38:17 PM »
Either way the vote goes really will not impact my hunting...I prefer to take a bow or handgun into the woods with me anyway.  I just hate to see something like this die without a definitive answer...If you ask me, letting it die is a cowards way of handling politics.  Stand up for what you do or do not believe in...Ah heck, Pataki is just another RINO anyway... :roll:
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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2005, 03:30:03 PM »
PETE/NY, thanks for the update! :D
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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2005, 03:34:46 PM »
If they are not going to allow centerfire rifles for deer and bear hunting in the counties that currently do not allow it, I wish they would change the regulations to allow centerfire rifles in those counties for Fox and Coyote hunting during the open season for Deer and Bear. Currently, we have to wait for the Deer and Bear season to close in order to use a centerfire rifle for Fox and Coyote. I see not reason why a Fox or Coyote hunter who wants to use a small caliber centerfire rifle to hunt Fox and Coyote should have to wait for the Big Game season to be over with in order to use his rifle.

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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2005, 04:51:10 AM »
I just took a look at the bill and I see that only 17 Senators voted NO.  If the Govenor rejects the the bill or refuses to sign it, can the Senate override his veto when they come back into session?

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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2005, 06:27:17 AM »
If George looks out his front window across the Hudson he can see Orange County, which has always been rifle for deer... 45 miles due north of Manhattan! Maybe it's getting too crowded in Painted Post!

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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2005, 03:01:44 PM »
Tuesday, August 30, 2005  
Bill Summary   -   A04853  
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A04853 Summary:
SAME AS    Same as S 918-A                                                    
                                                                               
SPONSOR    DelMonte                                                            
                                                                               
COSPNSR    Magee, Schroeder                                                    
                                                                               
MLTSPNSR   Brennan, Burling, Butler, Crouch, Finch, Lupardo, Oaks, Quinn,      
           Townsend                                                            
                                                                               
Amd S11-0907, En Con L                                                        
Allows hunters to use a rifle during open season for deer and bear in the      
counties of Allegany, Cattaraugus, Chenango, Herkimer, Montgomery, Oneida,    
Oswego, Otsego, Schoharie and Tioga, as well as certain rural towns in Broome  
county in those areas east of the Susquehanna River.                          


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A04853 Actions:
02/15/2005 referred to environmental conservation                              
05/11/2005 amend and recommit to environmental conservation                    
05/11/2005 print number 4853a                                                  
06/01/2005 reported referred to rules                                          
06/09/2005 reported                                                            
06/14/2005 rules report cal.217                                                
06/14/2005 ordered to third reading rules cal.217                              
06/15/2005 substituted by s918a                                                
           S00918A AMEND=  VOLKER                                              
           01/21/2005 REFERRED TO ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION                  
           04/05/2005 1ST REPORT CAL.468                                      
           04/06/2005 2ND REPORT CAL.                                          
           04/11/2005 ADVANCED TO THIRD READING                                
           05/09/2005 AMENDED ON THIRD READING 918A                            
           06/08/2005 PASSED SENATE                                            
           06/08/2005 DELIVERED TO ASSEMBLY                                    
           06/08/2005 referred to environmental conservation                  
           06/15/2005 substituted for a4853a                                  
           06/15/2005 ordered to third reading rules cal.217                  
           06/15/2005 passed assembly                                          
           06/15/2005 returned to senate                                      
           08/18/2005 DELIVERED TO GOVERNOR                                    


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A04853 Votes:


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A04853 Memo:
 TITLE OF BILL :  An act to amend the environmental conservation law,          
in relation to allowing the use of rifles for hunting in certain parts        
of the state                                                                  
                                                                               
 PURPOSE :                                                                    
                                                                               
To allow sportsmen to hunt deer and bear in the southern tier counties        
with rifles.                                                                  
                                                                               
 JUSTIFICATION :                                                              
                                                                               
There are more deer in New York State than there were 10 years ago.            
There are fewer deer hunters than in previous years. Crop damage and          
deer and automotive collision is increasing by the numbers and it is          
costing New York State taxpayers millions of dollars in damages.              
Expanding the law to include hunting with rifles in the southern tier          
counties may help control the deer population in those areas.                  
                                                                               
 LEGISLATIVE HISTORY :                                                        
                                                                               
2003-04: S.2326-D/A.5443, Passed Senate in 2004.                              
                                                                               
 FISCAL IMPLICATIONS :                                                        
                                                                               
None.                                                                          
                                                                               
 EFFECTIVE DATE :                                                              
Immediately.                                                                  

 
 
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2005, 03:04:11 PM »
Tuesday, August 30, 2005  
Bill Summary   -   S00918  
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S00918 Summary:
SAME AS    Same as A 4853-A                                                    
                                                                               
SPONSOR                                                                        
                                                                               
COSPNSR                                                                        
                                                                               
MLTSPNSR                                                                      
                                                                               
Amd S11-0907, En Con L                                                        
Allows hunters to use a rifle during open season for deer and bear in the      
counties of Allegany, Cattaraugus, Chenango, Herkimer, Montgomery, Oneida,    
Oswego, Otsego, Schoharie and Tioga, as well as certain rural towns in Broome  
county in those areas east of the Susquehanna River.                          


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S00918 Actions:
01/21/2005 REFERRED TO ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION                              
04/05/2005 1ST REPORT CAL.468                                                  
04/06/2005 2ND REPORT CAL.                                                    
04/11/2005 ADVANCED TO THIRD READING                                          
05/09/2005 AMENDED ON THIRD READING 918A                                      
06/08/2005 PASSED SENATE                                                      
06/08/2005 DELIVERED TO ASSEMBLY                                              
06/08/2005 referred to environmental conservation                              
06/15/2005 substituted for a4853a                                              
06/15/2005 ordered to third reading rules cal.217                              
06/15/2005 passed assembly                                                    
06/15/2005 returned to senate                                                  
08/18/2005 DELIVERED TO GOVERNOR                                              


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S00918 Votes:
Abbate  ER Canestr Y  Farrell Y  Jacobs  ER McLaugh Y  Powell  Y  Stringe NO  
Acampor AB Carrozz NO Fields  Y  John    Y  Meng    ER Pretlow Y  Sweeney Y    
Alfano  Y  Casale  Y  Finch   Y  Karben  Y  Miller  Y  Quinn   Y  Tedisco Y    
Arroyo  ER Christe Y  Fitzpat Y  Kirwan  Y  Millman Y  Rabbitt Y  Thiele  Y    
Auberti Y  Clark   Y  Galef   Y  Kolb    Y  Mirones Y  Raia    Y  Titus   NO  
Aubry   Y  Cohen   Y  Gantt   Y  Koon    Y  Morelle Y  Ramos   Y  Tokasz  Y    
Bacalle Y  Colton  NO Gianari Y  Lafayet Y  Mosiell Y  Reilich Y  Tonko   Y    
Barclay Y  Conte   Y  Glick   NO Latimer Y  Nesbitt Y  Reilly  Y  Towns   Y    
Barra   Y  Cook    Y  Gordon  Y  Lavelle Y  Nolan   Y  Rive J  ER Townsen Y    
Barraga Y  Crouch  Y  Gottfri Y  Lavine  Y  Norman  Y  Rive N  ER Walker  Y    
Benedet Y  Cusick  Y  Grannis NO Lentol  Y  Oaks    Y  Rive PM Y  Weinste NO  
Benjami Y  Cymbrow Y  Green   ER Lifton  Y  O`Conne Y  Robinso Y  Weisenb Y    
Bing    Y  DelMont Y  Greene  Y  Lopez   ER O`Donne Y  Saladin Y  Weprin  Y    
Boyland Y  Destito Y  Gunther Y  Lupardo Y  O`Mara  Y  Sanders Y  Wirth   Y    
Bradley Y  Diaz LM NO Hayes   Y  Magee   Y  Ortiz   NO Sayward Y  Wright  NO  
Brennan Y  Diaz R  NO Heastie NO Magnare Y  Ortloff Y  Scarbor NO Zebrows Y    
Brodsky Y  DiNapol Y  Hevesi  NO Manning Y  Parment Y  Schimmi ER Mr Spkr ER  
Brown   Y  Dinowit NO Hikind  ER Markey  Y  Paulin  Y  Schroed Y              
Burling Y  Eddingt NO Hooker  ER Mayerso ER Peoples Y  Scozzaf Y              
Butler  Y  Englebr NO Hooper  Y  McDonal Y  Peralta Y  Seddio  Y              
Cahill  Y  Errigo  Y  Hoyt    Y  McDonou Y  Perry   Y  Seminer Y              
Calhoun Y  Espaill ER Ignizio Y  McEneny Y  Pheffer Y  Stephen Y              


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S00918 Memo:
 
 
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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2005, 03:31:35 AM »
Did the rifle hunting bill pass???

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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2005, 05:56:48 AM »
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCOPEny/

SCOPE NY is reporting that this bill passes because the Governor did not sign it.  Supposedly there will be an announcement by the DEC later on today.  I guess we will see what happens...
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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2005, 12:20:06 PM »
Grab your rifles boys and lets go hunting. According to the 6:00 news the rifle bill has been passed for this season :grin:  :grin:  :grin:

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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2005, 12:42:30 PM »
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Grab your rifles boys and lets go hunting. According to the 6:00 news the rifle bill has been passed for this season :grin:  :grin:  :grin:
Personally I'm glad it passed. I'd much rather use one of my rifles instead of my shotgun! :grin:
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NYS Rifle Bill passes!! I have a couple LN rifles 4 sale!
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2005, 05:51:44 PM »
If any of you NY hunters need a new rifle/ scope  let me know as I may have a couple LN rifles for sale. 1 is a 30-06 Browning Synthetic Stalker and possibly a LN Browning 7MM Synthetic Stalker also.

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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2005, 03:02:45 AM »
Another post from the SCOPE NY web site:

Pataki signed A-4853/S-918 expanding the use of rifles for deer &
bear hunting in the Southern Tier and WNY.


http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=s918
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« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2005, 04:49:49 AM »
Earlier this morning there was no news of this on the governors web page or ENCON web page,   or in the media.

Anyone have additional sources  for confirming this news?

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From NY State Senator Dale Volker's web page
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2005, 08:57:01 AM »
http://www.senatorvolker.com/press_archive_story.asp?id=11715

Senator Dale M. Volker (R-I-C, Depew) today announced that Governor
George E. Pataki has enacted his bill into law (S.918), which would
allow sportsmen to hunt deer and bear in the southern tier counties
with rifles.

"This new law is a common sense approach to humanely thinning out our
deer herds, stopping the spread of Lyme Disease in many Southern Tier
counties and allows sportsmen and sportswomen to have enhanced
opportunities in participating in our cultural heritage," said
Senator Dale M. Volker. For several years, the growth in the
population of deer in the Southern Tier has been profound, Many
within our wildlife management organizations have been urging the
State Legislature to enact this legislation so as to mitigate
economic losses to our residents and to save lives as well," "By
allowing rifle hunting for deer and bear in this region of our state,
we can humanely lower the deer population as they often die of
starvation. It will also prevent human deaths from automobile
accidents that have been rising from vehicles hitting deer on our
highways, and also see a reduction in the spread of Lyme Disease
throughout the State of New York, which is often spread by deer ticks."

Senator Volker's bill, which goes into effect immediately, would
allow hunters to use rifles during open season for deer and bear in
the counties of Allegany, Cattaraugus, Chenango, Herkimer,
Montgomery, Oneida, Oswego, Otsego, Schoharie and Tioga, as well as
certain rural towns on Broome County in those areas east of the
Susquehanna River.

There are more deer in New York State than there were 10 years ago
and there are fewer deer hunters than in previous years. Crop damage
and deer and automotive collision is increasing by significant
numbers and it is costing New York State taxpayers millions of
dollars in damages. Expanding the law to include hunting with rifles
in the Southern Tier counties may help control the deer population in
those areas and simultaneously stimulate economic activity for area
businesses. Additionally, the firearms that have been traditionally
legal for hunting big game have become safer and less damaging to the animal.

This legislation was sponsored and passed in the State Assembly by
Assemblywoman Francine DelMonte.
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« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2005, 12:03:44 PM »
YEEAAHHH !!

   Here's a "high five" for all the ones here that were pulling for it. !

 I haven't hunted seriously for several years ( love my rifles) so I guess I will this year...

   BTW...I live in deer country...so not all who live out here are against rifle season...
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« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2005, 03:50:13 PM »
It was reported today in our local newspaper in Olean,                       (www.oleantimesherald.com)  by NYS Senator Catherine Young, that the bill was signed and will take effect immedially.

Now I have to make a decision on using my old Marlin 30-30 or perhaps a new rifle may be considered.

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« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2005, 04:09:59 PM »
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It was reported today in our local newspaper in Olean,                       (www.oleantimesherald.com)  by NYS Senator Catherine Young, that the bill was signed and will take effect immedially.

Now I have to make a decision on using my old Marlin 30-30 or perhaps a new rifle may be considered.

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oldhunter, on odd days use your Marlin 30-30, on even days use the new rifle that you have to buy!!! :D
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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2005, 05:47:24 AM »
New York Hunter,

Now why didn't I think of that?

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« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2005, 04:36:40 AM »
My new Handi barrel in aught 06, wasn't a waste of time and effort then  :grin:

I was on the fence on this one. I like the idea of more accuracy and cleaner killing power, but don't look forward to the divisions within the hunting community.

I'll finally get the new stock finished on the old swede. It'll be a great whitetail rifle. I'll be on the odd/even days myself  :lol:

Rick
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
-- Robert A. Heinlein