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Offline handirifle

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« on: August 21, 2005, 01:20:52 PM »
My Ultra is back at NEF being fitted for a 280 barrel (as you know by now) and I added a 20ga rifles slug barrel and a synthetic stock set.

I have been looking (lurking) for a 44 mag barrel for a bit, guess I just can't get away from a big bore.  Tomorrow I am going to call NEF AGAIN and delete the stock set and add a 45-70 barrel (if they're in stock).

I know they have the 500 S&W's but I'm kinda leery about the cost of brass and bullets, down the road.  If this thing doesn't get real popular components might get hard to find and expensive, same for the 445 SM I think.

The 280 is bad enough, but the bullets will be here for a long time.

The .458 bullets will be too and I don't think the 45-70 is going away anytime soon.  Plus lots of selection and data for the old girl.

Just hope my wife understands my delima :grin:
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2005, 02:11:35 PM »
Kool maneuver, hoover....I mean Handi!!! I don't think you'll regret that decision!!!! :agree: :agree: :agree:
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2005, 07:03:05 AM »
Well it might all be a moot point at this time.  I called NEF this AM to do the swap and John said he showed it had already been invoiced and shipped :grin:  :cry: .  If so that is very fast turn around, if not he said he'd pull it to do the swap.

I left him my cell number to see.

I wished I'd thought of this earlier, like Fri AM :?
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2005, 09:15:12 AM »
Good to hear you will get your 280 barrel  back soon and are ready to warm up for hunting season. Keep us filled in on how she shoots.
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2005, 01:37:07 PM »
Will do!

Not sure what the status is for sure, NEF never called back so I don't know if that meant is was shipped or not :?

If it is on it's way, I'll get the Aetec mounted and get to the range.  I am really itching to try those Winchester's with the 140gr Fail Safe.  Looks like it would be a nice do-all bullet.
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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2005, 04:18:59 PM »
If 280 stuff ever gets hard to find, it can be formed out of 30-06 brass real easy.  Size- load-shoot.  Presto, 280, all formed and ready to go.
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2005, 04:28:03 PM »
Quote from: Daniel Laws
If 280 stuff ever gets hard to find, it can be formed out of 30-06 brass real easy.  Size- load-shoot.  Presto, 280, all formed and ready to go.


In a pinch, but .30-06 brass is almost .050" shorter than .280 brass. :(
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2005, 05:20:16 PM »
That is right Quick, one reason the 280 barrel was not a good candidate for a 338-06 re-bore.  There are OTHER calibers that will work though.  Time will tell if I get bored with the 280.
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2005, 05:23:20 PM »
Yup, get bored....rebore!!! :-D  :-D  :-D I just resized some -06 brass so I can shoot my .280, it doesn't grow enough, it's still over .040" too short! :(
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2005, 05:31:46 PM »
Look at the bright side, you won't have to trim for a while :-D
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2005, 05:32:07 PM »
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No need for 280 brass, fire form 270. Expand to 30 form a false shoulder and bang away. God you guys are dense. The lords mercy is with those that do not know what they are doing.  :D  :-D  :D
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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2005, 05:44:27 PM »
Ignorance is bliss I always say :lol:

I'll just buy enough 280 brass to last me.  I like the easy way.
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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2005, 05:59:36 PM »
I decided to just get some .280 brass....having 2 30-06s and 2 .270s, I didn't need to be shooting brass that was headstamped wrong and have an accident. I expect that shooting an underbore bullet in a .280 might be a bit of a surprise with lots of gas blown back through the breech??? :eek:
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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2005, 06:35:11 PM »
Good points Quick.

Ah, you know what you are doing. Whats this about gas blowing by into the action. You are not fire forming with 270 bullets is that what you thought I meant? No, No, No.

After expanding to 30 then you run the cases into the 280 die and shoot with 280 bullets. The false shoulder will do the head space. Made lots of 280 AI brass like that from 270 brass. Of course there is no chance of fitting this ammo into an 06, 270, or a standard 280 after it is fire formed.
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2005, 06:49:22 PM »
No, I meant me being absent minded and shooting a load headstamped as .270, thinking it was one of the cases I resized to .280, in a .280 when in reality it's a .270 load!!! What would the result be??? I know that shooting a .22Lr is a 22Mag will result in a lot of blow back, but the difference in bore size is minimal....what would happen shooting a .270 round in a .280 rifle?

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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2005, 07:29:10 PM »
Quick

The body of the two cases are the same. The shoulder on the 270 is further back. It may not fire in a 280 chamber it would slide in too far and the bullet would not stop either. the Bore in a 280 is 277 or more in a Handi and so is a 270  bullet at .277.

 In a Mil Mauser rifle action with the big claw extractor the case could be held back to fire. Most other actions wont fire the 270 in a 280 chamber. If it did you could have a case separation.

You remember what I said about the African wild cat 7x65. They do exactly that holding the 270 case back withe  extractor in a Mauser action and fire form to 7x65 with a bullet jamed into the lands. Or they fire form with Cream of Wheat and shot gun powder.

It is a nifty wild cat very easy to make. the forward part is like the 7mm-08 and uses the 7-08 dies. The way these guys were loading it to 65Kpsi it out performed the 7mm Mag. Their barrels were 28" long
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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2005, 07:37:47 PM »
Thanks Fred!! I just tried a .270 round in the .280, there's about .040" head space and the rim is so far in the chamber, the ejector won't pick it up, so I'm guessing the firing pin wouldn't even touch the primer enough to ignite the round. If it did, like you say, instant case separation!!

Thx for the lesson!! :wink:

ps, I'm still gonna get the .280 brass!!!
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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2005, 04:04:11 AM »
Quick

That was the idea the 270 wont fire in an 280 chamber( but could with a min and dirty chamber) and a 280 will not chamber in a a 270 rifle.
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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2005, 06:13:45 AM »
Well it sounds like someone actually thought that out pretty well. Wonder how much of it was luck?

Just called NEF and John found mine in the shipping room and pulled, it's being fitted with the 45-70 as we speak. Yahoo!

Now gotta get the brass dies etc that I got rid of :(

Some lessons I learn the hard way.  Some of them are

When momma ain't happy, no one's happy (number 1 most important one)

I like larger calibers better than smaller ones (centerfire)

Keep larger caliber barrels, bullets etc and get rid of small stuff (KISS)

From now on when I DO get a new gun/barrel KEEP IT

This time my 45-70 WILL get a scope like I wanted to last time ( I have a nice 2X waiting for it)

(this space left blank intentionally for future lessons, as I'm sure there will be some :) )
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