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30 Carbine 110sp vs 357 mag 125sp in rifles
« on: August 12, 2005, 05:04:02 PM »
Didn't really know where to put this so I picked here.

My question is only about the above mentioned cartridges out of carbine type rifles.  30 carbine 110sp out of a m1 carbine 18" barrel vs 357 mag 125sp out of marlin 1894cp 16" barrel.  Lets say range out to 100 yards.

I am getting the rifle to teach my girlfriend to shoot and will be using other ammo to train but these were what I though were the best loads for each for my situation.  Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2005, 06:31:46 PM »
Not sure what you want to know but here it goes.

They are going to shoot about the same , the 30 cal. will be louder and will limit your choice of ammo.

The 357 would be a better choice as it will shoot the cheaper 38 spl. loads as well

I have both in handguns and favor the 357 , but the 30 cal is fun to shoot
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2005, 07:19:43 PM »
Depends on what you are doing. Nothing is going to turn the .30 carbine into a realistic deer rifle although a few people use them for that. The .357 with 180 grain bullets is perfectly suitable for deer within a hundred yards. The 125 grain load loses velocity too quickly for me to use it on anything deer sized.
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2005, 05:41:24 AM »
I've heard about a lot of soldiers in WWII & Korea  not respecting the .30 carbine as a weapon against men.........that should give you an idea of how it'll work against deer, jd45.

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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2005, 07:14:45 AM »
Neither are useful if you are shooting at anything larger than a jackrabbit.

If you are just fooling around it makes no difference.

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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2005, 02:58:59 PM »
The .357 is alot more versital very much so if you reload.  I shoot alot of 125 cast bullets out of my marlin just for fun plinkers but with hot 180 grainers its a fine deer rifle, I would think its alot cheaper overall than a M1 also.
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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2005, 08:31:34 AM »
Absolutely, go with the 357 Mag!

I like to reload and really think that the 357 Mag has not been given the respect it deserves, since the introduction of the 44 Mag and other "super" hunting cartridges.  If you look in some of the really old gun magazines, you will see handgun hunters using the 357 Mag to go after all kinds of game.

If you reload and have a strong enough action, the 357 Mag can be stuffed with Alliant 1600 or H-110 to produce some amazing feats of strength with pretty heavy bullets as well.

If you don't reload there are some specialty bullet loading companies on the internet that sell heavy special purpose 357 loads.  

You might try the following:

http://www.buffalobore.com/

http://www.bruincartridge.com/

Again, go with the 357 Mag it will give you options you will never have with the 30 Carbine

P.S.  

If the rifle is for teaching your girl friend and you hope she will use it for hunting.  Let me give you some additional thoughts.  First, be very careful about semi-autos and new shooters.  They can pinch hands and that can create fear and adversion to participating in shooting sports.  For new hunters/shooters recoil and caring around a heavy rifle are big no-no's.   Many women also have small builds for which standard rifle stocks are a bit long.  When it was time to enroll my two young teenage sons in hunter safety training, I had them use SKS rifles, but they had already been shooting 22's for a long time.  

I started them out on 22 bolts and used 22 short CB's as the ammo.  I also used this approach on some nieces.  A 22 short CB has no recoil and no real noise.  Therefore, the flinch issues just don't get embedded in the used of this.  You can get a cheap used 22 bolt action rifle at most gunshows or pawn shops for $100 or less if you look around.  If you are teaching a new shooter, I would start with a 22 bold action rifle that can handle LR, L & short rounds.  Start with 22 short CB's and then work up to 22 LR.  Again opt for the more expensive short and long rounds over the cheaper LR round, until they are comfortable with the noise and modest recoil.  I remember when I was training my sons and neices always having all three types of 22 ammo on hand and letting them choose what they wanted to shoot.  There were many times when they preferred the 22 shorts over the louder Longs and Long Rifle rounds.  Then when they are comfortable with the 22 LR, move on to 38 special, then later to 357 mag.  It is a good gradual progression.

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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2005, 12:00:40 PM »
ok, what if you take deer hunting out of the equation?  say, uses of this would be for plinking, new shooter training and self protection in the city and in the woods (god forbid).

I already have her shooting an sp101 w/ 38+p's, she is going to switch to 357 mag's in it soon as she feels comfortable.
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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2005, 06:00:56 PM »
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ok, what if you take deer hunting out of the equation?  say, uses of this would be for plinking, new shooter training and self protection in the city and in the woods (god forbid).


Plinking = SKS with 7.62x39 ammo.  The ammo is real cheap if purchased in bulk, especially eastern european corrosive stuff.  You can even get "theoretically non-corrosive Wolf brand at pretty fair prices that are less than you can likely reload it for (especially if you value your time-which with a girl friend you should.)

Not sure what you mean by training, but I will assume it means sight picture, trigger squeeze, breath control, etc.  That is marksmanship.  Again the SKS is good, but not a tack driver.  Neither a 30 carbine nor a 357 lever action is going to be a tack driver either.  Although if you load just one at a time in a Marlin lever action, some of them can be surprisingly accurate.  

Protection in the woods.   Forget the 30 carbine.  Up until recently it was illegal to hunt big game in most states with a 30 carbine.

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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2005, 03:44:48 AM »
If shes already shooting a SP101 that even better reason to get a .357 rifle, Same ammo. Another plus with .38/.357s you can find ammo for them anywhere, also my local indoor range will allow you to shoot pistol cartridges out of rifles so you can do a little practice when the weathers bad. 8)

 Did I mention that I happen to like .357s? :shock:  :)
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2005, 05:03:08 AM »
30 Carbine is often specifically identified as illegal for deer hunting. Check your regulations. I'd go with the .357 in heavy bullets of 160 grains or more for hunting.
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2005, 11:45:45 AM »
The ONLY advantage I can think of that a .30 carbine has over the .357 is the fact that it comes in a semi-auto.

Both will be excellent for the beginner.

Otherwise the .357 has the advantage in all the other areas: ballistics, cost, availability, selection.
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2005, 03:05:30 PM »
Do the lever! IMHO the .357 is tons of fun to shoot. She can shoot the little 125s or 155 lymans or 180s and feel the difference without undue recoil and flinch. I get 1" groups at 100M with a williams FP peep.  bouncing Coke cans of water or fruit is fun in anybodys book. She'll have a great time! There's something about a levergun that reels people in.
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