Thank you very much Roundball!! I am also debating between, if I get a New T/C New Englander 12 gauge shotgun(yes, they said they would custom make me one), to get the barrel with the Chokes or the Cylinder bore barrel. There is only $10 difference, but I kinda like the simplicity of not dealing with choke tubes. my question is, can you get good enough groups with the Cylinder bore barrel for Turkeys-Squrrels-Rabbits and the occasional Grouse and Pheasant? I meen, are the tubes really worth it for $10 more? I may also want to try some patched roundballs thru the barrel also, just for fun mostly on targets. Thank you-Jack.