Author Topic: new Encore guy here (Read 802 times)

Slogun · « **on:** October 01, 2005, 04:51:32 AM »

Hello all,
I have new Encore I bought yesterday...noticed a slight amount of play when you hold the stock firm and move the barrel (forend) left to right...is this normal? thanks.

sk330lc · « **Reply #1 on:** October 01, 2005, 05:19:16 PM »

Welcome to Graybeards!!
you'll get a lot of great help here, from a lot of great people!!!

As for your forend.
Have you checked to see, if the forend screws are tight

Slogun · « **Reply #2 on:** October 01, 2005, 05:58:53 PM »

Thanks for the welcome sk330lc!

And yes I've checked the forend screws...I've since looked back to old threads and I believe it's a slight tolerence issue with the hinge pin...the barrel shifts, ever so slight, left to right...just not sure how much of an issue it is...One person stated in the thread that it affects accuracy.

I'll keep researching it. Thanks again!

Slogun · « **Reply #3 on:** October 01, 2005, 07:17:26 PM »

Now I'm really confused...I did a search and there's an outfit that sells 'oversized hinge pins' for the Encore...this means there is an issue about pins.

That search also led me right back to this Graybeard Board on an older thread discussing how they aren't or weren't happy with these oversized pins.

I'm perplexed and wish someone would help clear all this up: My questions are:

A) Is the slight movement in the hinge going to affect accuracy?

B) Why would people complain about a fix for this..the 'oversized pins'? Is it an inferior metal they use? Do the create binding?

c) If it does affect accuracy and the oversize pins aren't the answer...what is the answer?

Really appreciate any help here..I want to keep the gun..but, if I don't fully understand this I'll have no choice but to return it. Thanks.

mikemayberry · « **Reply #4 on:** October 02, 2005, 01:05:29 AM »

If it's forend wiggle, that may be fixable at home by bedding the forend or some of the other fixes you will find on this site.

If it's a brand new gun and its not tight where the barrel seats with the frame, take it back to the seller before you shoot it. Your only other good choice would be to send it to TC for repair or replacement which will take a few weeks.

Don't go immediately to the oversized pins on a brand new gun. In my opinion, they are kind of a "last resort" to fix something that has occurred due to wear.

My two cents. . .

Mike

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 02, 2005, 01:30:19 AM »

You may experience an extremely slight movement at the hinge point. I have very very little and it does not affect accuracy in my Encores. I don't use the oversize pins because I don't have an accuracy problem. I have 4 Encore frames with different barrels and not one has an accuracy problem. Hope this helped.

Also Welcome to Graybeard.

scratcherky · « **Reply #6 on:** October 06, 2005, 06:59:52 AM »

Slogun, I have noticed the same movement that you describe in your posts and so far have been unable to get a good answer to the problem. I do not think that the pivot pin could possibly control the lateral movement since there is about .045 to .050 inch clearance between the barrel lug and the frame. If your research leads to a good answer please share it with us.
Thanks,
Don

Buckskin · « **Reply #7 on:** October 06, 2005, 10:53:17 AM »

Say what you will about the oversized pins, but I went to the 2x. Actually I got the 1x and 2x in the value pack. I have a ML Encore and a 204 barrel. Before the 2x pin i could hardly hit a bull in the ass with my ML, but my 204 was a shooter. I did have some slight movement in the barrel, so I decided to try the pins. The 1x was a bunch of bs, it measured the same as the pin that came with the gun. Now I don't know if TC sent me an oversized to begin with or the 1x is a ploy for you to buy the 2x. Whatever the case my groups when from no group to about 2" at 100 yds with the ML. Same Powerbelts and same charge as before. The 204 is yet to be shot with the new pin. The gun feels better now, much tigher all around. But you really have to drive the pin in, before you could do it with your thumb.

Slogun · « **Reply #8 on:** October 06, 2005, 11:23:05 AM »

scratch....I'll keep you informed, should I discover anything.

Buckskin....Your post is interesting. Who did you get your pins from?
You indicated T/C provided them..is that true?

KN · « **Reply #9 on:** October 06, 2005, 12:32:37 PM »

I have a 22/250 heavy barrel rifle that experienced this. I could feel a slight "shake" in the gun if I held it by the stock and wiggled it back and fourth. I fixed it by "Carefully" squeezing the frame in a machine vise at the front where the barrel is supposed to seat into the frame. I used a small screw jack inside the frame to keep from over squeezing it and only squeezed it a couple of thousandths at a time. Now the frame fits tight to the barrel and the shake is gone. The rifle went from shooting 1-1/2" groups to 1/2" and under on average. I'm not recommending you do this unless you have some machining back ground as you could easily over do it if not careful. But it did a world of good on my gun. KN

Buckskin · « **Reply #10 on:** October 07, 2005, 05:11:22 AM »

No I got them online from Bellm. Probably the same supplier that you found.

scratcherky · « **Reply #11 on:** October 07, 2005, 12:31:04 PM »

I fixed it by "Carefully" squeezing the frame in a machine vise at the front where the barrel is supposed to seat into the frame.

KN, I read your post and think that your fix is the best to minimize side to side motion between the barrel and frame. Can you describe in a little more detail your reference to " where the barrel is supposed to fit into the frame"? Also, do you know if your fix affects interchangeability of barrels? Thanks and excuse me if I did not use the quote feature correctly.
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Slogun · « **Reply #12 on:** October 07, 2005, 02:12:29 PM »

Scratch has good questions and I think KN has a very interesting solution.