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Offline Joel

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« on: August 25, 2004, 11:50:31 AM »
Finally broke down and ordered Queen's single bladed utility trapper and have been messing with it for the last five days.  I'd been really disappointed in the last two slipjoints I'd ordered from Remington and Case, and had always heard great things about Queen up there in Titusville, PA.  In fact Queen, Ontario Knives, Shatt& Morgen and Robeson are all the same people, but not necessarily the same knife factory. Anyway, I"d ordered the Cocobolo version for $36.00 plus the usual postage and have been checking it out the last few days.  Basically, the knive resembles Case's slim line trapper, but is MUCH better made.  The cutting portion of the long, spey, D-2 blade is 3".  Open length is 7 1/2".  Closed is 4 1/8". Weight is negligible.  Fit and finish are perfect, with one exception which I'll get to.  The blade locks up tighter than any slipjoint I've ever owned; absolutely no play at all.  The Cocobolo scales are nicely figured and fit absolutely flush against the liners.  Cocobolo can be a nasty wood to work, since it can cause extreme lung problems, which have killed a couple of knifemakers(among others) who sanded the wood without adequate protection.  I built one bowie with that wood, and even with a full respirator, my nose still ran like crazy.  I"m surprised they didn't charge more to put it on a knife.  There isn't a gap to be seen in the actual knife fit.  One thing I found nice was that the blade pull(nick) was nice and deep and sharp....easy to open the knife even with wet hands.  Both the Remington and the Case I bought had shallow, rounded pulls and it was almost impossible to open with wet, slippery fingers.
      I had two major gripes with the knife; one cosmetic and one having to do with the edge.  I've wrote them about it.  The first one concerned an ill fitted medallion(cloissoine) in the left scale.  The hole was bigger than the acutal medallion and left a noticeable gab which really sucked to see on a knife of otherwise fine quality.  I used an old knifemaker's trick and filled the gap with Super Glue, but still that's not my job.  The second gripe was the edge...wasn't sharp at all; more like those little microscopic bevels you see on collectors knives.  It was no problem for me to put the blade on my belt grinder/buffer and create a hair splitting convex edge in about 4 minutes, but not everyone has access to those.  I mean, the original edge would cut, but why put D-2 steel on a knife and then do that.  Doesn't make sense to me.
      Been using the blade a lot in the last 5 days and it still is holding an extremely good edge; not hair splitting anymore(which hardly lasts with any steel for long), but still extremely sharp with  no need for sharpening in the near future.  Been using it in the kitchen to cut any and everything, outside to cut baling twine, and at work to cut tape and a bit of cardboard.  Holds that edge like well heat treated D-2 is supposed to.  So far no sign of rust or staining, even though the kitchen work was with wet stuff and also cutting such things as onions which can really stain a blade.
     Overall, I think this is the best slipjoint pocket knife I've ever owned.  Will I buy other Queen Knives?  Probably...if I need another traditional styled knife for something.  Seems reasons just come springing out of the wood work.  Anyone else there using Queen, and have they anything they like to share?

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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2004, 02:58:27 PM »
Joel;
  As I noted in another post, Queen is in Titusville Pa, while Ontario is in Franklinville NY (about 4 miles from my home).
  The Vice Pres. of Ontario/Queen, Bob Breton, is a personal friend.
 Ontario makes some terrific military/ survival type knives.
 
  I am a blacksmith (hence, Ironglow) and I am a (now life)member of the NY state designer blacksmith's organization.

   A few weeks ago, I arranged a trip through the Ontario plant for our blacksmiths. Naturally, most of the blacksmiths that showed for the tour were also bladesmiths.
 
   Seems that the part of the tour that garnered the most attention from the smiths was the heat-treating area.

  At the finish of the tour, Bob let the guys go through the discard bin and take what they wished....mostly nearly finished blades with barely discernable cosmetic flaws...

    Talk about "kids in a candy shop'!!

   My personal "pocket" knife is a Queen Senator (31/4 " closed) . two sizeable blades in embossed brass scales. A good sized knife, yet only a whisper over 1/8 th of an inch thick. It 'disappears" in your pocket and doesn't wear those holes in your jeans...
   
     The Senator is part of Queen's Paladin collection.

  My grandson is the company armorer for his Marine company at Camp Lejeune. Along with his duties of the man that maintains his unit's weapons, he has, if I recall correctly, about 180 edged weapons.
  Those weapons include the bayonets as well as the Marine fighting knives...every one is stamped "Ontario USA"..

   Check out   <www.ontarioknife.com/>

                     <www.qcutlery.com/>
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2005, 08:32:35 AM »
Joel, I was wondering if Queen ever replied?  And what they had to say.  Especially about the sharpness of the knife.

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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2005, 06:54:10 AM »
I've been meaning to write a followup on this post, but kept slipping my mind.
To make things worse, the backspring failed on that first knife, so I wrote the procurer I'd bought it from and he said he'd never heard of such a thing happening and to call Queen.  I did that and they told me to return the knife for a new one, no charge.  The second one was much better fitted than the first one, as far as the medallion went, and even the blade seemed to hold a bettre edge.  Beginning to wonder if that first knife wasn't from older production before Queen switched to D-2.  Anyway, the backspring on the second knife also broke.  Both knives had been used at work(I run the truck unloader crew for Wal-Mart), and had been used mainly to cut cardboard and tape.  On the occasion of the second knife's backspring breaking, I'd been cutting through a plastic tiedown that was holding a lawnmower in place, so I could take it off the shelf and show it to a customer.  The tiedown was fairly stout and it took a fair amount of force(and a sawing motion) to cut through it, but  hardly what I call excessive force.  Became so disgusted, that I just threw the otherwise beautiful knife into the garbage.  Didn't bother  calling Queen; wan't even interested in another replacement.   I mean, a part failing once on one knife can be considered something that can happen since nothing is perfect.  But when the same part fails on a second knife, there is either  a quality control problem there, or their smaller knives are just a bit too delicate for general, everyday pocketknife work; and I"m not about to spend any more money in that direction.  As for now, that's how it stands.
      To go off topic a bit.  One of the young guys that works with me is interested in becoming a blacksmith(and knifemaker).  He currently has swiped all of my Knife Annuals for the last 5 years, and I imagine he'll eventually want to wander into my shop.  Teaching him how to hunt also(he gets to use my Ruger #!)  What do you know about schools, Ironglow, in the central PA/southern NYS area?.   You can e-mail me if you have any kind of info that I could pass on to him.  Kid has a lot of potential, and I hate the thought of him being stuck at Wal-Mart for the rest of his life.

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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2005, 08:44:41 AM »
Interesting, thanks for the additional info.

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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2005, 10:41:33 AM »
Without a photo I cannot be certain but I think the pattern of knife you're talking about here is what I carry daily. Mine is one of the newer issue from Case. I toted one like it as a boy 50 years ago.

Mine is as close to perfection as I can imagine. No looseness of blade. Every thing fits as perfectly as I can imagine. Neither my eyes nor my touch can detect a single flaw. This one has the yellow plastic scales just like the one I carried as a boy. But I've seen them with at least two other types of scales and it's made with both SS and some other type steel.

You might want to give Case another try if you like this style of knife.


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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2005, 08:54:45 AM »
Been looking at some of the new Case knives.  BG-42 steel!!!  My personal favorite; along with D-2.  When I threw the Queen away, I decided to try one of them thar "modern" knives, so I bought a Gerber AR-3.0(whose lines I"ve always liked) with plain blade and the black teflon coating, and for the heck of it bought a Buck Rush assisted opening knife.  The Gerber and Buck are the first two modern liner locks I've used; although the actual liner lock has been around for at least 100 years in a simpler form.  Of the two, the Gerber is by far and away  the better all around utility knife.  The 440A steel droppoint blade opens easily with a flick of my wrist, locks up tight, and I can even lock it with the same hand.  Not easy to do when your left handed, and it seems all the liner locks I"ve seen are right handed; as far as easily closing the knife goes.  The blade is flatground most of the way up and holds a reasonably decent edge.  440A is best known for it's toughness, rather than extreme edge holding.  The black teflon coating is apparently there for some cosmetic/marketing reason.  It's okay until you stick it into something abrasive(like dirt), then comes right off.
The handle is a combination of aluminum with rubber inserts, and  is quite comfortable for it's size.  Looks nice also.  I used it in the kitchen while doing one of my informal tests, and the handle is still easy to use even when wet.  Suffers from the same problem that all knives that size have....its small....But Gerber did a decent job on the egromonics of it.  It rides in the front pocket of my jeans at work, and opens/closes easily even when its picked up some dirt/dust/lint etc.  The Buck, on the other hand, is a bit different story.  Basically the same size as the Gerber, the style is modern in the extreme with brushed "open" aluminum scales.  The blade is a very pointy drop point made of hollow ground 420HC.  Overall, this creates a much thinner edge/blade geometry than the Gerber's standard flat grind.  When closed, there is a "flipper" that you press back on which causes the (dual spring assisted) blade to flick open.  Fast as any switchblade I"ve ever seen/carried.  There is also a safety lock behind the flipper, which is clumsy in the extreme to use, that allows you to lock the blade open.  There are also dual thumb studs that allow you to open the blade manually, but the knife handle is so slippery, that I find that almost impossible to do.    The Gerber is the bigger of the two knives, overall, by a bit over a half inch.  During my testing both indoors and outdoors, I found the Buck to be more of what the Japanese call a "city knife", or I guess we call a gentleman's folder.  When I cut anything wet and sticky with the Buck, in this case I cut some big Pigweed stalks, the assisted opening went away, in that the blade would only open a little, and you had to use the thumb studs to finish opening it.  In fact anything that got into the opening mechanicsm/pivot pin locked it up pretty well.  The knife had to be washed and lubed again before it would do the assisted opening thing again.  Probably do the same thing with blood if allowed to dry a bit.   The Gerber went through the same tests with no problem at all. Also the aluminum handle is so slick, that it's downright dangerous when wet; I could barely hang on to it.  I did take the knife to work and the thin edge did cut well for a bit, but the 420HC steel simply doesn't hold an edge that long.....not as long as the 440A steel of the Gerber in this case.  Also, when I dropped the knife onto our concrete floor while it was open, it landed on that fine point; which promptly bent.  All in all, the Buck, to me, is good for cutting string, paper, opening boxes, lettres etc.....what a "city knife" would naturally be used for.  Fun to play with; what with that quick opening blade and all, but wouldn't want to take it too far out into the woods and expect that rather delicate blade to hold up under any abuse.  I"ve grown quite fond of that Gerber though.  
Also, unlike the Gerber, the Buck required two hands for me to close, the liner lock was really hard to push.
     BUT.......BG-42 in a pocket knife!!!!!  Since I"m a trifle gunshy about buying another D-2 Queen, just might have to give Case a try again.....when I can afford it.

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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2005, 05:51:11 PM »
Well Bill, I took your advice and just finished ordering a Case yellow handle barehead slim line trapper from Smokey Mountain.  It's the one with the chrome/vanadium blade(which means either AUS-6 or AUS-8). The BG-42 version's  gonna have to wait until I get my bonus.  Exact same design/size as the Queen.  Have to give it a good trial, when I get it.  Walked out my back door today into 18 turkeys that were enjoying the acorns.  They just kinda sauntered away.  I'm hoping they keep doin' that....that way I can shortly check out that Case as a bird/trout knife.  Won't have to lug the bird more than 50 feet or so.  Heh.