Author Topic: 35+p loads (Read 919 times)

Majbg · « **on:** October 06, 2005, 06:37:29 AM »

I just read a great article on the different bullet performance out to the 35 REM (marlinowners.com -author was 35remington (do a search)) and there was a mention of "the past Speer manuals" listing 180gn speer load of 2427 fps. I have the # 11 edition and guess it is older than this. Is anyone familiar with this load and is there a chance I could get it. The powder mentioned was IMR 3031. There was also some mention of 2300-2380 fps with H335 and the speer 180 gn. Highly reccommend the article if you haven't read it yet. You can PM me or post it here. Thanks, Bill

Lone Star · « **Reply #1 on:** October 06, 2005, 08:54:44 AM »

I have that ancient manual at home and have seen that load - I think it was in #3 or #4. However, realize that all Speer manuals prior to ca. 1974 did not use pressure equipment to develop maximum loads. Instead they used primer appearance, extraction difficulty, etc. to find the max load. What Speer found when they finally started to use pressure equipment was that many of their previous maximum loads for many catridges were far too high for safety - so they reduced them to meet SAAMI standards. This is one great reason NOT to use old manuals - much of the older data was not pressure tested! The load in question is clearly well over maximum SAAMI pressure - please don't use it.

Graybeard · « **Reply #2 on:** October 06, 2005, 09:39:26 AM »

To what end are you wanting to soup up the old .35 Rem? If the 200 RN at about 2000 fps will not kill what you're wanting to hunt then you really need another rifle. It works fine on deer, black bear, moose, elk, etc. The idea of trying to make it a long range gun is a bit asinine in my opinion. Just not enough case capacity and too much bullet diameter to make it a hot rod long range gun.

Use it within it's design parameters and it's a great round.

Cottonwood · « **Reply #3 on:** October 06, 2005, 10:05:02 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard

To what end are you wanting to soup up the old .35 Rem? If the 200 RN at about 2000 fps will not kill what you're wanting to hunt then you really need another rifle. It works fine on deer, black bear, moose, elk, etc. The idea of trying to make it a long range gun is a bit asinine in my opinion. Just not enough case capacity and too much bullet diameter to make it a hot rod long range gun.

Use it within it's design parameters and it's a great round.

:agree: :agree: :toast:

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #4 on:** October 06, 2005, 12:52:38 PM »

Check out Hodgen's website they have a lot of new data for modern powders they have a 180gr load using varget that they list the velocity at almost 2200 FPS that's smokin. Alliant also has a similar load using RE7.

Majbg · « **Reply #5 on:** October 07, 2005, 07:55:39 AM »

Thanks for the replys. I'm using the speer 180's for a hog hunt. Read that great article and thought I'd bump my loads up to their modern potential. Right now I'm only getting 2050 fps from my load. I will research these other loads and possible load one of these. Thanks again. Bill G

Graybeard · « **Reply #6 on:** October 07, 2005, 09:44:26 AM »

If you're going hog hunting you need to dump those 180s and get some RN 200s. Far better medicine. It's really the best possible choice in this round. Speed really ain't what kills especially when the round is so small like this speed isn't really there anyway no matter what.

Cottonwood · « **Reply #7 on:** October 07, 2005, 02:13:52 PM »

Quote from: Graybeard

If you're going hog hunting you need to dump those 180s and get some RN 200s. Far better medicine. It's really the best possible choice in this round. Speed really ain't what kills especially when the round is so small like this speed isn't really there anyway no matter what.

Bill

If our shooters of the .35 Remington would just do a search www.google.com and just type in .35 Remington, they would find a wealth of information and see just why the 200-gr works the way it does.

Deer, Bear, Elk and Moose

Lone Star · « **Reply #8 on:** October 07, 2005, 05:34:48 PM »

For an historical perspective only - DO NOT USE THE #8 MANUAL LOADS!

Speer Manual #8, published in 1974, and previous manuals back to at least #5, listed loads for the .35 Remington far higher than shown in modern manuals like the #10 from 1979. Why the difference? Speer did not use pressure testing equipment to develop most load data until the mid-1970s. With their 180-grain bullet:

Manual.....Powder......Maximum
#8...........IMR4320........45.0
#10............."................36.0
#8...........IMR4895........44.0
#10............".................37.0
#8...........H380.............47.0
#10............".................44.0

These are huge differences and the old loads are not wise to use in most .35 Remington rifles. I have no idea what the actual pressures of the old loads were, and neither did Speer - until they tested them. Speer immediately reduced them in Manual #10 once they found out how excessive they were.