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First ATV- Honda Rancher or Yam Big Bear?
« on: September 14, 2005, 12:16:01 PM »
Gonna get a used atv before hunting season.  I have leads on a couple of used machines.  Wondering everyones opinions on the two above.  Both are 2001 machines.  Honda is a 350 and the Yam is a 400.  Thanks for your help.

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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2005, 04:01:14 AM »
I sent a reply on the PM this morning.   Personally I prefer the Big Bear.  I don't have anything against the Honda, just have more time in the saddle on a big bear, and another older Yamaha atv.   I learned to ride on a honda, but prefer the Yamaha.   If the location you are finding them is the place near my house let me know and I will go by there and test drive em for you and let you know how they ran and appeared up close.
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2005, 05:49:07 AM »
Don't forget,  Honda's are practically Bullet Proof!
No offence to Yamaha as I have a buddy who rides a Big-Bear and loves it.

Ride the both and see which one feels the best!

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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2005, 07:51:06 AM »
I can't tell if the PM is working or not so here is my ideas on looking to buy a used atv.


Chris, the 2000 Big Bear is what my friend bought and what I rode.  It was the same year I bought the Kawasaki Mule 550.   What changed in the 2001 model I am not really sure.  I was trying to find an old review of the Big Bears but it must have been archived.  I couldn't find it.  

Yes that is the place by my house.   I've never seen their web site before.  
On a used atv, I would look for the obvious first.  

Racks:How do the racks look?  Are they actually bent?  Worn paint is not big deal, but bent tubing could indicate that the thing has either been over loaded or turned over in a wreck.

Body plastic.  Do all colored body parts match?  Are they the same color.  If one fender or of the front plastic is not the same (brighter or darker) than the rear plastic, then it could mean that the original plstic was so damaged that it had to be replaced.  Theres a difference in a well used and a abused ATV, so if there are any bolts or screws attaching the plastic to the frame that appear to be brand new or do not match the others then I would ask why??

Front bumper.  If it is really bent then possibly some kid was driving the atv like a bumper car.  Slight dents and dings are to be expected on an atv, but bumper tubing that is not level when viewed from the front or that has a serious dent could also idicate a bad wreck that has been covered up.

Handle Bars/Front Wheels.   They should line up.  When the handle bars are aligned as if you were going to drive forward in a straight line, look at the front tires.  Are they facing perfectly forward?  If they are not both pointing in the same direction together then it could be as simple sa needed some adjustments up front, or it could ean that an A-arm has been damaged, tie rod is bent, wheel itself is bent,,  steering column (shaft) is out of adjustment or has been damaged by a hard bump/crash to the front end or is simply worn pout from a million hours and miles.

Start it up, should fire it easily.  Immediately notice whether or not there is any smoke that exits the exhaust pipe.  There shouldn't be any noticiable on a 4 stroke motor.   Let it run long enough to come to operating temperature.  Does it smoke now?  Does it hesitate when you pumch the throttle?  Put it  in gear, and go.  Does it hesitate, sputter or go?  If it is a liquid or oil cooled ATV, check for leaks both before and after it has been run long enough to reach operating temperature.  What color is the oil?  Milky looking oil might indicate water in the oil which means the atv has been in deep water and not maintained properly.  Clear looking fresh oil indicates that it was just changed and hasn't been run much since.  Oil should be fairly dark which indicates that it has been run through the motor, but if it is burnt looking or smelling then it probably hasn't been changed in a while.  

Front or rear Differential.  Listen for noise as you drive it.  There really shouldn't be anything too noticable, like clicking or popping noises.

Tires.  Are they totally worn out? Are they original size?  Oversize tires are cool, but might indicate that the ATV has been ridden pretty hard mudding one mud hole after another.   Are they worn evenly?  Like an auto with a front end out of alignment, atv tires worn inside or outside edge could indicate that the front end has sustained some kind of trauma that has caused the front tires to wear unevenly.

If you have kids, I would recommend either getting now or saving up and buying a side by side vehicle like the Rhino or Mule.  Being able to safely take the kids along is so awsome!  They will so love being out there with you and will learn to love atving as well.  Not sure what he is asking for the atv's there, but you can get into a nice side by side for little more than a full size atv..    Kawasaki's new Mule 610 is getting good reviews.  It is a 401cc single, 2WD or 4WD selectable, 400# capacity dump bed, bench seat etc..  SOme guys are buying the 610 for $6000 out the door.  

It sounds high, but going side by side made for wonderful times with my wife and the kids...

Hope all that stuff helps you.
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First ATV- Honda Rancher or Yam Big Bear?
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2005, 08:53:19 AM »
I have a 2001 Yamaha Big Bear 400. I think it is great. I take it everywhere and have not had one problem. I am bias because I own a Yamaha.  :D
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2005, 11:40:01 AM »
Thanks for all the tips, markc.  Now I need to make a trip to H-town to take a look at them.  I've been doing more research on the Yam and it gets very good reviews.  I understand your point about going side-by-side.  I've thought of that a thousand times.  But I keep going back to the point that if I'm going to get something that big why not just buy an old Jeep.  For now, I think an atv is the way to go until my boys get older and start hunting with me.  A couple of other questions, though:

Are aftermarket parts readily available?
Are skid plates "standard issue" on atv's?
What kind of gas mileage can one expect?
Do I have to get insurance?
Should I put "Slime" or something similar in the tires?  This is cactus country.

Thanks for everyone's help.

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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2005, 02:17:58 PM »
Read your thread, and thought I'd voice my opinion.   Both of those bikes are fairly old, so the individual condition of each bike would have more to do with value than brand.  Either bike when new were excellent, but the Honda I believe would hold it's value longer.  But it depends on how each bike was mainained.  The tips that Markc posted are excellent.

As for your follow up questions,

1) Tons of after market parts are available for both.

2)  Most ATV's come from the factory with some skid protection, but they can all be improved on.

3)  A 350-400 class bike should get about 30mpg, depending on it's condition and how you ride it.

4)  Insurance is not required unless your state allows it on public roads.  From there, each state varies.  May be dificult to get insurance for bikes of that age.  When buying a new bike, insurance is nice to have because of theft and damage, but an older bike may cost more in premiums and deductibles than it's worth.

5)  Slime or other sealant products may be nice to have, but there are two comments.  If you put slime in, make you run the bike immediately to disperse it evenly throughout the tire.  If you don't, it will ball up and set, and you'll never get the bounce out.  Second, if you have to take the tire to a shop to be broke down, the mech's will not be happy.  

ATV's are very addictive, you'll wonder why you waited so long, and you'll be chomping at the bit waiting for the younguns to get big enough you by them their own.  When my grand daughter got to be about two, any time she heard the atv fire up, she'd come running wanting to go for a ride.  She's nine now and is on her second bike.

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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2005, 05:47:01 AM »
Most dealers sell slime and will gladly sell it and put it in the tires on a new atv.  Tractor Supply Co. also sells green slime for tractor times.  It is a great idea.  A can of "Fix a Flat" is good in an emergency but if left in the tire for a long period of time, can damage the tire itself, according to a local tire dealer in my area.  I'd never heard that before and have used it for a long time.  Slime is better (before you get the thorn in the tire) than fix a flat after the air is already leaking out.

The difference between a side by side atv and an old jeep is, a side by side (most of them but not all) can fit in the bed of a full sized pickup truck,a jeep of course can't.  A 4WD side by side can go places an old jeep is too wide for, deep woods, narrow trails.  Some states allow a side by side on public roads (as an agriculture vehicle) Jeep only if updated insurance, registration, inspection etc..), or on atv designated trails that an old jeep is too wide for.   You can pick up  an old Jeep a bit cheaper than a new side by side atv,  but locations where it can be used are more limited than a side by side atv, unless registered or you own or lease property where you can drive it.  

Good luck on selecting the atv......
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2005, 07:30:05 AM »
markc- If you have some time on your hands would you mind going by that dealer and taking a look at what they have?  It's going to be at least two more weeks before I'm in Houston.  I'd like to hear your opinions of what they have to offer.  Thanks, CT

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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2005, 03:33:52 AM »
I went by yesterday, but by the time I got there, they were closed.  All I could do was look at that green Rancher through the window.  It did look good though.  With the hurricane coming in, it might be middle of next week before I can check out those atv's.  We are likely to be activated here at work and will go to 12 hour days, and canceled off days.  I am usually off Sat/Sun, but it appears that will change this weekend.
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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2005, 05:27:51 AM »
There's no rush.  Be safe.  Looks like my in-laws will be spending some time here in FBG with Rita coming.  Take care of yourself.

On another note- I have a lead on two Big Bears (2wd) w/ a trailer for a decent price.  The problem is it's on eBay and the owner has no title for the machines or the trailer.  Sound fishy?  Is it a problem to own atv's with no title?  And wouldn't I have to get the trailer titled in order to get plates?  I do need plates in order to use the trailer on the streets, yes?  Does anyone have advice?

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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2005, 05:50:49 AM »
I bought a Honda this year and have no regretts.  It is one very nice machine and I pull firewood out of the woods with it.  Absolutley no problems so far.

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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2005, 05:18:19 PM »
I have a 2002 Big Bear 400 with on demand 4wd.  I really like this machine and have put a lot of miles on it with no problems.  People I ride with have Kodiaks and Arctic Cats which have nice plush rides but all have had seal problems.  The gas mileage also stinks with the autos.  

The only negative I have about the Big Bear is that it tops out at about 35MPH (cruising speed, it will go a bit faster).  Many times I end up on a dirt road and have a few miles to get back to camp and it would be nice to cruise a few miles an hour faster.

Buy one in good shape and you will like it.

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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2005, 06:44:38 PM »
I have a 2000 Big Bear 400 4x4. I love it. Never had any trouble at all with it. Mine is "full time" four wheel drive. I've worked it pretty hard at times and its always worked great. I really like how nimble it is in the woods. The turning ratios is great for the woods. I've had two Honda four wheelers in the past, a 1986 200SX and a 1992 250X and they were outstanding. Honda's are pretty tough! See which one fix better and go from there!
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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2005, 06:48:23 PM »
Oh yeah, I also have three Suzuki's to go along with my Big Bear. A 2002 Ozark 250, a 2002 Quadmaster 50 and a 2001 Quadsport 80. Suzuki makes a pretty good ATV too!
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