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I want to make a deer antler knife - need help
« on: October 06, 2005, 05:16:19 PM »
I have this awesome piece of antler and the butt of it is just screaming to made into a knife. How do I go about splitting it into two halves to fit a blade. Also, where would you recommend I buy the plain blade to fix in there? I have never done this before so I'm looking for a little guidance. I know I could do some searching to find some of the answers but I like to chat with everyone.  :wink:  :D

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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2005, 05:54:59 PM »
If you've got a crown stag, the end that goes next to the deer's head, most were hidden tange.  No reason why it couldn't be a full tange, just harder to do.  On hidden tange basicly drill out the peffy core and shove it on the tange with epoxy and you've got a great handle.(It's not that easy, but it is that simple)

Sheffield's knifmaker's supply, Texas Knifemaker's supply, and other knifemaking supply houses are a good place to look for blades, gaurd material, how to books and resources.  There are several knifmaker and knife forums on the web dedicated to knifes only that a lot of makers hang out at.

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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2005, 06:39:16 AM »
Will gives the general idea, pretty good.  I've built a few stick tang knives out of whitetail deer crowns;and in fact shot a big 10 pointer two years ago that had really thick antlers and is just waiting for a blade.  One thing is the antler should have dried for at least a year, otherwise it will shrink/split on you when you try and work it.  Other than that, pretty much boils down to reaming out that soft, pithy core, adding your blade,with attached guard, and any spacers you might like, and pouring a lot of epoxy down that hole(before you add the blade/spacers).  It's good to have a large hole full of epoxy in there, since it forms a solid, strong "core" to support the tang.  Deer antler is not overly strong stuff.   The guard/spacers should be larger than the diameter of the antler, so you can bring them down to the antler.  Also, when epoxying it all together, use masking tape on the antler, and then rub vaseline around the taped part closest to the guard to keep the epoxy from being absorbed into the antler.  Something I also do, is I pin the tang to the antler.  I do this by drilling a hole in the antler about 1 1/2" above the end that will fit against the guard using a #30 drill(slightly larger than 1/8").  Then I add the blade/spacers, and pushing hard it together against a piece of wood I've clamped against my drill press table, I insert the drill into the hole and drill on the tang just enough to make a mark.  Then I remove the blade and drill the tang completely through.  By the way, the blade should be completely taped while your building the knife, to keep it from getting scratched/dinged.  This means either having a soft tang or using a 1/8" carbide drill I get from one of the knifesupply houses.  I don't think I've ever seen a carbide drill in the Number sized drills.  I opt for the carbide drill anyway.  When the epoxy is poured into the hole in the blade and everything is added, I then insert a 1/8"  piece of brass/copper etc rod into the antler/tang hole and GENTLY peen the rod until it just fits into the slightly oversize hole.  DO NOT peen the rod until it is too snug....the antler will eventually split.  A word on epoxies....don't use the fast 5 minute stuff, use the 30 minute or longer variety.  That give you more time to work with, and the longer setting stuff makes for a stronger bond.  As far a building a full tang knife using deer antler, that had best be a really big antler, since that soft core will show on the butt end unless you remove it completely.  That means grinding each piece of the split antler(you can saw it in two using most any manual/table/saber saw with a reasonably fine blade), until the core is completly gone.  That was the great advantage of Sambar stag....it only had a tiny core, that was easy to remove and still left a lot of antler.  If you can do that, then its just a matter of building the knife by conventional full tang means....which if you haven't done that part, you need to either get one of the many videos or books that's available on that.  Most knife supply houses carry them.  One last very important point; when grinding/sawing antler(or bone, or ivory) ALWAYS wear a respirator....not one of those flimsy paper things, but at least a felt painters mask, and preferably a full respirator.  You should do any sawing/grinding also in a place that has at least a decent fan blowing, to get the dust away from you.  Antler/bone/ivory dust is DEADLY stuff if it gets into your lungs.

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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2005, 11:39:06 AM »
Good info from Joel.  You could probably give a call to some of us that have done this and talk about it--- if that would help you out.  Mostly you just need to think through the process and just do it.  If you go slow, you can usually minimize mistakes.  I too like the mechanical lock of a cross pin along with the epoxy.
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2005, 05:21:50 AM »
Thanks for all the help guys. I understand this process a lot better now. Will a non carbide drill bit handle the drilling of this? Here is the antler thta I am using, I would like to use the pice of the left but I am uncertain what it would look like after I cut that one tine off. This piece is pretty thick and fits my hand almost perfect due to the shape of it. What do you use to clean it up with. I have a dremmel but what pice would I use to clean it up. A light sanding disk?


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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2005, 06:22:35 AM »
Actually, the piece looks a trifle awkward to me, but I can kinda see where if you take off the tine and a lot of that "web" below that and round it off, it might work.  Dremel will work fine; I use one of the sanding drum attachments with a coarse grit to remove a lot of the antler after I cut off the tine as close as I can.  Course I also have a belt grinders which I can use 1 X 30 or 1 x 42 belts on.  I cut the tines off with one of the cutoff wheels you can buy.  I go through a LOT of those.  Hack/bone saw works well also. You can then switch over to strips of sand/emery paper using a wood sanding block.    Towards the end, when you are using the finer grits(you want to go to at least 600), you can just use long thin strips to do the final rounding/polishing.  Can't hurt to try it, far as I can see, you're just going to have to be careful how you shape it; take your time.  Far as drilling the tang goes...depends on the steel your using.  If you're buying one of the finished blades in carbon steel, the tang should already be soft enough where a SHARP drill will go through......usually.  If you use one of the stainless ones, it depends.  Sometimes, in order to conserve on steel, the folks who make those blades leave only a stub of the stainless on the blade and then TIG weld or braze a hunk of softer, carbon steel to finish the tang.  Nothing wrong with that.
Best bet I guess is to call whoever you're ordering the blade from and find out(assuming they know).  If the whole blade/tang is stainless, you'll need a carbide drill....no way around it; you can't really heat "soften" most stainless(except 440 series....and then you need to be careful).  Hope this helps.