Confiscation Of Weapons In Louisana

[FWiedner]

Confiscation Of Weapons In Louisana

by John Longenecker

And they said it would never happen.

But when conditions change, officials swing into action to break their word, violate their oath of office, violate the law and bluff or force their will on the public.

This is the source of lawlessness: when officials break the law in professional incompetence, delaying of proper response and because-we-say-so oppression of the People.

To a constituent, officials lied.

The Condition: lawlessness in New Orleans.

The Problem: thugs shooting and civil unrest.

The Solution: Take away everybody’s guns and force evacuation, leaving the neighborhood unprotected.

The Reality: only the criminals will have guns, perpetuating the original problem as they return to the evacuation zone.

Exactly, please, how does law enforcement discern the good guys from the bad guys in what to confiscate from whom? If guns are being confiscated from thugs, what becomes of the thugs to follow-up on the suspicion of crime that justifies the confiscation?

Don’t expect much, folks, because the jails were opened there to release the felons for their own safety.

Brilliant, just brilliant.

There's a very sickening feeling about this. First confiscation, then they come for you. They call it manadatory evacuation, but they are still confiscating weapons and coming for you.

New Orleans already has one of the highest murder rates in the country, but it wasn’t the law-abiding shooting at EMS. And it wasn’t the law-abiding shooting it out with police.

Who do they think they’re fooling? If they really wanted to stop the unrest, they could have taken into custody and relocated the thugs they released, but they didn't concentrate on the thugs they had in hand; they concentrated on the guns. Everybody's guns.

As an aside, I was contacted this morning by the Republican Party and asked for a $150 donation. Like Hell.

I answered that I was a member of my Party's Assembly District, and that we, along with other Republicans, decided to withhold donations and fundraising for the Party until the Conservatives did two things: secure and control the borders, and stop the restrictions on gun rights for the law-abiding.

My unwelcome telemarketer caller asked me if I would like to see Hilary Clinton in the White House for lack of conservative funding: the thrust of my reply was let the heavens fall.

No wonder the rescue efforts were delayed. No wonder the thugs were let out. The situation was allowed to deteriorate so officials would be able to cite unexpected changed conditions as an excuse to break their word and confiscate weapons as a dress rehearsal for other communities. This is not good. Where the hell were the conservatives in looking out for the individual?

To protect the community and our way of life, armed citizens are the most effective modality. Police can be overwhelmed and the people have an interest in defending their homes and their community as a whole. When facing a thug, the people have a very good idea of who is law-abiding and who isn’t, and it is they who are best qualified to sort things out as they participate in the recovery of their community.

I dislike intensely the government's freezing people out of their own recovery plans. And I dislike the idea of disarming the law-abiding.

The mandatory evacuation -- where the community is one cesspool -- may make sense for the next several days; I'm for non-mandatory evacuation; but confiscation of weapons is downright illegal, stupid, and I dare say predictable.

To use human tragedy to effect unauthorized and unwelcome political change is not new. Officials have been doing this for a very long time. Change the conditions and the consent of the people will follow in a spirit of cooperation.

What's next, confiscation of weapons in California following an earthquake? Why?

Confiscation of guns -- for whatever excuse -- is part of that use of human tragedy to effect political change, the kind the community doesn't want and which runs counter to the interests of the community. But, for some, it's now too late. They're disarmed and defenseless, and by their own consent. Even those with permits turn them in? Why?

What do you believe will happen next? What do you believe will happen this Fall when the City of San Francisco votes to ban guns, which they have on the ballot?

We’ve been had, friends.

And we're going to be had in the next crisis, too.

And the next, and the next.

http://mensnewsdaily.com/blog/longenecker/

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[PA-Joe]

What is interesting in this case is that within the first few days over 200 LEOs walked off the job to save their own families. The community was left unguarded.

Why make a distinction between confiscating ones firearms and confiscating one's home. The Constitution protects us from both doesn't it? If I want to sit in my home and die, so what, that is my right!

[jrcanoe]

The Government will and probably is murdering gun owners who demand their constitutional right to stay and live on their own property. Our own government putting it's own citizens in body bags.  When will people wake up and realize that we have more to fear from our own government and Mother Nature than any other terrorist organization

[Savage .250]

Sad state of affairs! Gov`t intervention for the good of the people???
   Looks like in the land of the free........Big brother knows best. Ya think?

 " The best part of the hunt is not the harvest but in the experience."

[Robert]

In my humble opinion...this entire thread sucks eggs and wreaks of insensitivity.  Leave it alone.  We do not yet even have a clue of the problems in New Orleans and the surrounding areas.  I am sure that many hard decisions have had to be made....both from LEO and the people that have survived.  I personally beleive that we should be silent about any of this until we KNOW what is going on. We have lost a lot of wonderful beautiful people.....this is not just a topic for interesting conversation. S.T.F.U.....

[FWiedner]

In my humble opinion...this entire thread stinks eggs and wreaks of insensitivity. Leave it alone. We do not yet even have a clue of the problems in New Orleans and the surrounding areas. I am sure that many hard decisions have had to be made....both from LEO and the people that have survived. I personally beleive that we should be silent about any of this until we KNOW what is going on. We have lost a lot of wonderful beautiful people.....this is not just a topic for interesting conversation. S.T.F.U.....

Hard times and big problems are not sufficient legal or moral excuses for the government of the United States and it's suboordinate governments or agencies to violate the law and ignore the Constitution.

If the government ignores the law, there is no law.

It is during times of such misfortune that human rights become especially important, and that well-meaning government needs the heaviest yoke set upon it.

I may be speaking for myself, but I don't see this situation as sufficient reason give up rights, or to cease to speak out against official abuse of those rights,  nor because some self-righteous azzhole with a big-brother complex doesn't want to hear it, or doesn't care for the timing.

 

[Robert]

Yeah, well I have a dear freind that should be arriving there about now to try to fin his wife after driving more than 3,000 miles....he dosent need to be held up at gunpoint by a bunch of thugs that want to take his truck, supplies and fuel.  There are many things you do not know buddy. Stick your rights...  This is an entirely different situation.  People are dead and dying.

[FWiedner]

Yeah, well I have a dear freind that should be arriving there about now to try to fin his wife after driving more than 3,000 miles....he dosent need to be held up at gunpoint by a bunch of thugs that want to take his truck, supplies and fuel.  There are many things you do not know buddy. Stick your rights...  This is an entirely different situation.  People are dead and dying.

So...when your dear friend feels scared and tired, or people are dead and dying, that's the ideal time for everyone else's rights to be ignored?

 :shock:

[jrcanoe]

I personally beleive that we should be silent about any of this until we KNOW what is going on. quote]

We will never know what is or went on. The newspeek coming out of New Orleans increases everyday.  They are already painting the "holdout's" as crazy and stubborn or looters. A natural disaster does not trump the Constitution nomatter what spin the government puts on it. I was glad to read where a National guard member said they didn't take orders from the Mayor.  I hope and pray that the NG and Police realize it is there duty to refuse to obey unlawful orders.

[Mikey]

Folks - fer cryin' out loud willya all get the hay off your soap boxes.  This disaster was seen coming and the elected government in LA and NO didn't do a dang thing about it.  It was their responsibility FIRST, not FEMA's or G.W.s.  It was the resposnibility of the Mayor of NO and the Governor of LA to take prepatory action in the face of an environmental disaster to save lives and they failed to do so.  Now they are using media hype to blame the president for this when he called before the disaster and asked them to prepare.  
As I said before, there is a chain of command established for these emergencies and the elected in LA failed, period.  

Anything going wrong now in LA is the result of indecisiveness and lack of preparation and all of this falls solely on the shoulders of the two leaders in LA.  Any Constitutional violations we see or read about are the result of political decisions inside LA, not the Whitehouse.  

The use of the Nat'l Guard is a LA decision, that military force is not controlled by the Whitehouse.  

Cops shooting looters, the authorized use of the NG for forced evacuations, confiscation of fuel, vehicles, food/medical supplies and firearms is a decision made by the Gov of LA and the Mayor of NO, not Bush.

jrcanoe - your statements would be accurate if you had specified the 'Gov't of LA', not the federal govn't.

Fred - ya said:  Hard times and big problems are not sufficient legal or moral excuses for the government of the United States and it's suboordinate governments or agencies to violate the law and ignore the Constitution.  State governments are not subordinate to the federal government, they are freely elected.  It is the government of LA that is violating its own state's constitution, not the federal government.

And Robert has it right - and I agree that we should just hold our dang water until we start getting more of the truth about what is actually happening down there than what we read in one of the liberal scandal rags.  JMHO.  Mikey.

[Savage .250]

In my humble opinion...this entire thread stinks eggs and wreaks of insensitivity.  Leave it alone.  We do not yet even have a clue of the problems in New Orleans and the surrounding areas.  I am sure that many hard decisions have had to be made....both from LEO and the people that have survived.  I personally beleive that we should be silent about any of this until we KNOW what is going on. We have lost a lot of wonderful beautiful people.....this is not just a topic for interesting conversation. S.T.F.U.....[/quote  
 
 To clarify my comment above, i was speaking from the point of peaceful,
 law-bidding, hunters, gun collectors, sportsmen in general getting their guns confiscated.  All this due to some "out-laws" who by their actions ,
  shooting a the police,people in general, created this environment.  
   Now that all the guns have been collected(?) will they ever be returned?
   Will N O be a gun-free city?   Put another way,YOU lose your gun/s due
   to someones elses actions. You ok with that?
  The issue here is not the extreme situation  that has been caused by this hurricane but  side issues.  My coments are not ment to deminish in anyway the situation  along the coast and inland.
  Your comment  dealt with  another side of this  tragedy,  compassion.
   That`s your opinion and i respect that.
    Your " S.T.F.U." As this is an open forum  i hope you can dis-agree with
all...  with out that,( anything with F.U. in it can`t be good) after all it`s everybodies....opinion. If i`m wrong, my apologies.
   
 " The best part of the hunt is not the harvest but in the experience."

[FWiedner]

  State governments are not subordinate to the federal government, they are freely elected.  It is the government of LA that is violating its own state's constitution, not the federal government.

And Robert has it right - and I agree that we should just hold our dang water until we start getting more of the truth about what is actually happening down there than what we read in one of the liberal scandal rags.  JMHO.  Mikey.

Really?

Then, pray tell, what authority does the federal government have to enforce this?:

Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws...


You are entitled to agree with Robert if you wish, but the time to defend your rights IS NOT after all is said and done.

That's like waiting until AFTER the burglar has cut your wife's throat.

 :shock:

[jrcanoe]

"Police fearing deadly confrontations with jittery residents enforced a new order that bars homeowners from owning guns. That order apparently does not apply to the hundreds of M-16-toting private security guards hired to protect businesses and wealthy property owners. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20050910/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_katrina_12

The Mayor is nothing but a murdering thug looter. Office Depo should press charges for his and his thugs looting and tearing out their server.

[stimpylu32]

It will be a cold day in h%ll when the goverment at any level tells me that i can no longer protect my loved ones .

Let them search my home all they want and i CAN tell you that they will NOT get all of my guns , I will not give up my god given right to protect and feed my family  :evil:  :evil:

Richard Kohli

[saltforkgunman]

In my humble opinion...this entire thread stinks eggs and wreaks of insensitivity.  Leave it alone.  We do not yet even have a clue of the problems in New Orleans and the surrounding areas.  I am sure that many hard decisions have had to be made....both from LEO and the people that have survived.  I personally beleive that we should be silent about any of this until we KNOW what is going on. We have lost a lot of wonderful beautiful people.....this is not just a topic for interesting conversation. S.T.F.U.....

Looks like theres a dog that comes and craps in the living room floor.You can't ignore it.

[JBKERNS]

The Mayor is nothing but a murdering thug looter. Office Depo should press charges for his and his thugs looting and tearing out their server.

Agreed, hopefully some of the armed citizenery will have send some of them to hell, as is proper.