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Offline AkRvrrat

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« on: October 18, 2005, 08:44:39 PM »
needs some help here. picked up a J.C.Higgins FN Belg. in chambering .30-338 and can only suspect some loads to be used. I figure on using RL19 with a 180grn Scirocco Swift or any of the bonded designs or even a North Fork but for now the Scirocco is on the plate. It is in 85% plus shape so it should easily handle the allowable new data. thanks

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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2005, 11:08:16 AM »
well I gather there is not much knowledge here on this particular round seems like wildcats are a dying breed. Figured to hear from someone that has some familiarity on this ballistically equal to the .308NM or the .300WIN.--as I found out in my old readings in Nosler 3 ed. in the .308NM-----------chow. :D

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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2005, 12:56:11 PM »
Just to verify this is the .338 Win Mag necked down to .30 right?
That being the case I show a max load of 68g IMR 4831 with a 190g HP. I also show that it has only 1.2g h2o less capacity then the .308 Norma Mag. That being the case, starting load for the Norma Mag will work fine for this case as well.
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2005, 01:16:32 PM »
Reed1911,  yes that is exactly it a .338 necked down to a .30 calibre. I have seen a legitimate spot in literature where it is recognized and that was in the Nosler 3rd ed. and in the same comparisons. I did not note any capacities that showed such a comparison as in h2o--that was exceptional info. Thank you.

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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2005, 01:25:48 PM »
anytime.
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Re: .30-338 loads
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2005, 11:00:55 AM »
Quote from: AkRvrrat
needs some help here. picked up a J.C.Higgins FN Belg. in chambering .30-338 and can only suspect some loads to be used. I figure on using RL19 with a 180grn Scirocco Swift or any of the bonded designs or even a North Fork but for now the Scirocco is on the plate. It is in 85% plus shape so it should easily handle the allowable new data. thanks


I have owned and shot the .30-338 since 1962 when I built the one I have.  Though Winchester was going to release it as their .300 magnum but Winchester crossed us, that thought that way, up.  If you would like some load information drop me a PM with your e-mail address I and I will help all I can.  Lawdog
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Dig up some other older manuals from the 70's
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2005, 09:58:57 PM »
Seems to me that several older manuals would commonly mention the 30-338 under the 308 Norma Mag.  I think I remember Sierra and Speer manuals of the late 70's  mentioned that the 2 chamberings were very close.  

That doesn't help lots with newest powders but I'd think you could find enough data to make a safe and reasonable start.

Looks like Lawdog will be a big help.  Good luck, that should be a fine choice for AK work.
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2005, 11:28:40 AM »
Dand, got in touch with the bulletsmith over at Sierra-Rich M. and their is quite abit of "old" data that supports all given bullet weights in the .30cal.---very impressive. thanks, for Alaska anything larger is definately is preferred maybe in the Taylor chamberings and too possibly the .416/.350  should be just  as flat shooting as the .375/270. This rifle is a FN 98 Belgium and for all practical purposes cause I don't run like I use to :wink:  I will strongly look at rebarreling in one them two calibres. later.

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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2005, 05:30:21 AM »
The .375/270 would be a poor choice in your rifle - your bolt face does not match it.  The .416/.350 is pretty short, I don't know if you'd have feeding issues or not...not a good thing in the AK bush.  A standard .338 might be a better choice - it was my go-to rifle for the 27 years I lived there.

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Do you REALLY need a fatter bullet?
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2005, 09:29:04 PM »
Ak,  I have lived and hunted in the Alaska Peninsula and Bristol Bay area since 1978 and I've only packed the 30-06 and since 1981, a 300 win mag and I don't feel too worried about bullet diameter.  I don't mess with bear hunting much.  This fall trying some still hunting for moose in real thick stuff, I felt a little edgy at one point but just put in some 220 Nosler loads and kept going.  I'm not at all sure we really need the elephant guns as much as the press likes to whip up the issue.

I agree with Lone Star that the std .338 would make a dandy choice and I have thought hard about rebarreling for that myself.

After several days of packing this 8.5 to 9 lb gun across miles of tundra and through alders, I've thought hard about going to a 338-06, 35 Whelen,or 9.3x62 too, in a lighter gun but more rounds in the magazine.

When I had this 300 built, my first choice was the 308 Norma but I opted for the more available 300 win for convenience.  I wouldn't short change the 30-338 unless you find the wild cat is too much hassle.
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2005, 09:29:20 AM »
AkRvrrat,

I sent the e-mail with the load data and information to you.  If you need any other help just send me a PM or e-mail.  Lawdog
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2005, 01:18:10 PM »
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The .375/270 would be a poor choice in your rifle - your bolt face does not match it.  The .416/.350 is pretty short, I don't know if you'd have feeding issues or not...not a good thing in the AK bush.  A standard .338 might be a better choice - it was my go-to rifle for the 27 years I lived there.
I believe I inadvertantly left something out and that is my bolt face has been "opened" to .532 so the .375/270 IF I choose to in the Taylor loadings would very much work quite well. On the flip side in my .375 Ultra Mag I use .270 XLC(when they made em) and talk about a heavy grizz and moose hitter! Damn impressive! If for some reason that bullet would seem inferior I have some 300grn Swift A's loaded for bear :D  Asides I have already a Sako L61R and a Win pre-64 70 both in .338 mag calibers and I have lived here the last 49 yrs of my life. We can differ about what we believe to work an vice versa and share experiences but the matter at hand I have is the bullets and data on this .30-338 for a short period as I will surely rebarrel this more than likely in the .416 Taylor--if I sheep hunt and have not yet, this calibre would most assuredly do the job with 150grn TSX at 3300fps(max.). Did find some very good resources and data support on this. thanks fellows. Maybe we can discuss handmade barrel to vs. production barrels. Why not a Adams&Bennet bbl. replacement for this opposed to the highly prized names out there?

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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2005, 01:35:08 PM »
Dand, elephant bullets hardly but ......to each his own. I have preferred for many years the old .270 even over the 30-06 and had as many as 5 rifles chambered in the .270 at one time. Was a time in my life that I could face anything with em but as experience prevails I have seen where bigger bullets truly prevail, with less meat damage too. Yes carryin these big big bores or even a hevy med. is alot to carry for some great distance but that to me is tirvial--I had to learn to "toughin" up at some point in life-better overgunned than undergunned anyways I have lots of time-yet. later