375jdj in a rifle

[silhouette13]

morning,

how does the 375 jdj compare to the 30-30 win

i am looking for a 200yd big game rifle for my g2. i can not find any info on the 375 jdj on line (not at all computer savy) i understand that it is intended as a handgun cartridge so it presumeably uses a fairly fast powder how would it be in a 23 in barrel?

also i have some good kicking rifles ,how is the recoil ?how does it compare to say a 270win class cartridge? every thing i see is for handgun ballistics.where is the rifle ballistic information.

finally, my nosler book has 1 load for 30-30win rifle and several for the 30-30win pistol,same thing how dothe pistol loads with faster powders do in a 23 in barrel,where can i get contender specific load data for the 30-30

is is comparable to 375jdj

i hope to be doing a combo caribou and god willing huge black bear hunt  :grin:
hot 30-30 or 375jdj

thanks for any and all input

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[grodon of the north]

13,
Load Books USA publishes a Contender specific reloading manual covering 17 Bee thru 45-70 Gov't. I got mine through Cabelas I think. Less than $20.00. Almost all data is for Pistol length, 10-14" barrels, except 45-70 data was from 16 1/4" bbl.
I was told by Sierra tech person to expect 200-300 fps velocity increase out of my 24" 7-30 Waters bbl. as compared to published data for 14".
Hope that helps some. Gordon.
I've been thinking about a 375 jdj rifle bbl also, but on an Encore I think.

[tom ga hunter]

I have a 375 winchester in a 21" bbl and most of what i've seen has it very simular to the 375 jds. I don't think id want to trust it as a 200 yd rifle but it is great under 200 yds.

[TCBrian]

I have a G2 and one of my barrels is a 23" bull barrel in 375 JDJ.
The 30-30 is no where near as powerful as the 375JDJ and the recoil, even in a rifle will be quite apparent to you. Mine shoots minute of angle groups at 100 yrds, so you would have no problem at 200yrds as long as you know your trajectory. It is by no means as flat as a 7-30 waters, but flat enough, accurate and packs all kinds of power.
If you are looking for a 200yrd deer rifle though, I would say go with a 6.8 SPC, 7-30waters or something of that nature. The .375 JDJ is a little much for just deer, but makes a great all around big game gun.
If you are not recoil shy and want a rifle that can be used for deer, hogs, and even elk and moose, the 375 JDJ is just about perfect.

Good shooting,
Brian

[jason280]

Well, if its more powerful than a .375 Winchester, then I don't want it in a Contender!  I have a 21" Carbine in .375, and it is the hardest kicking gun I own.  Of course, the entire package weighs less than 6lbs, but the recoil is nasty with 220gr bullets.  

I'm sure you could adequately take game out to 200 yards, but there are other cartridges better suited to the task.

[Lone Star]

There is little comparison between the .30-30 and the .375 JDJ.  The JDJ round launches a 220-grain bullet 300 fps faster than the .30-30 launches a 150-grain bullet.  In a Contender rifle it approaches the power of a .358 WCF.  Like the .358, the JDJ will do great on caribou and huge black bear.  

There is no handgun-specific load data for the .30-30.  The loads which produce the highest velocities in a rifle do so in a handgun as well.  The old wive's tale about needing faster powders for top performance in short barrels is old and inaccurate.  Example: Nosler handgun data for the .30-30 shows the most accurate 150-grain load uses IMR4895, a rifle powder.  Max velocity is with Varget, another rifle powder.  The only thing that faster powders will do is potentially reduce muzzle blast and flash.

[silhouette13]

thanks for the good word,

i am dynig to try the jdj ,i dont like shooting much more than 200 yds any ways i also may get the 30-30, i just spent the day with a model 94 win.

thats the beauty of T/C right?

do any of you have any experince with foxridges muzzle tamer?i do have and have had a few kickers in my day but any thing that makes practice more pleasnt shoud play accuracy dividends.when i shoot i shoot a lot.

regards
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[silhouette13]

i under stand that the 375 jdj has more recoil than the30/30 ,how significant is it i dont find my self to be recoil sensitve , but the 300 weatherby mag i shot to day is unpleasnt.

is the jdj in this class? would a muzzle tamer and mercury recoil reducer  make it manageable (270win ish)

later alligator

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[TCBrian]

Because of the weight of my G2 carbine in .375JDJ, the recoil can be described as stout. I can shoot my 30-06, my cousins 300 mag and even 338 win mags off the bench comfortably. I find more than a dozen rounds out of the .375 JDJ to be less than fun. I also shoot .44 mags, 454 casulls and other hard hitting handgun cartridges and I would rather shoot them than the .375 off the bench. I think the overall length of the gun is also a problem with recoil. I often find my scope hitting my glasses, no matter how hard I try to tuck the gun in and control muzzle jump.
The JDJ produces more power than the .375 win, expecially in the longer barrel. They are closer in velocity out of pistol length barrels.
Still, it is a great cartridge and I don't mind the recoil, as long as I don't have to shoot it off the bench all the time.  It is just way too much for deer only if that is your intention.

Good shooting,
Brian

[Lone Star]

The .375JDJ does have some recoil, considerably more than the .375WCF.  No wonder, as with 220s the JDJ is 250 fps faster than the WCF in 14" barrels.  The T/C MuzzleTamer does reduce muzzle jump and recoil, although because the ports are on the top and sides of the device it does a better job of controlling muzzle jump.  This will help to eliminate the fear of hitting your face with the scope.

Recoil can be controlled through loading.  The use of 200-grain Sierra bullets at slightly reduced velocities for most shooting will make the rifle much more pleasant to shoot.  For example, 35 grains of AA5744 will give over 2000 fps and much reduced recoil in a rifle, but it would still be addequate for deer.