Spanish & Sth American Mauser 98s......how strong are th

[kombi1976]

I'm aware that the German & Czech 98s and 48s are very strong actions and are quite up to full magnum pressures but I've heard some varying opnions on Spanish and particularly Brazilian Mauser 98s.
Some say that with sensible loading they're o.k..
Others say that the Brazilians especially are soft as butter.
Basically I'm after an economical action that is suitable for a project but won't stretch or warp over time.
Are either of these actions suitable for a project like a 9.3x62 or should I keep my eye out for a Turkish?
Or aren't Turk Mausers much chop either? :|
For that matter, will a good Carl Gustaf or Husky M96 action stand up to the relatively moderate loads of a round like the '62?
There are plenty around.

[Slamfire]

The Mauser 98s made for the South American countrys are the creme of the Mauser crop, unless you throw in the commercial models. They were made between the World Wars at a time Germany was trying to increase their reputation as a arms maker. The materials and craftsmanship were of the highest quality. Each model has its own little features as specified by the purchasing country.
Most Spanish rifles are built on the '93 action, if the bottom of the bolt face is flat, it doesn't make any difference what model the Spanish called it, it is a '93 deriviative.
The only difference between the '95 Mausers is the gas escape hole drilled in the bolt body, and the quality of the steel the Swedes used.  

[1911crazy]

I don't think the small ring mausers can handle the breech pressure of the 9,3x62 round its in the area of a 300win mag  and just under  a 338winmag too. There's a big difference between 9,3x57 and 9,3x62 in breech pressure. I think a 98 action is the way to go.

I really like the european 9,3mm caliber they can use three rifles and cover a lot of different hunting situations.(9,3x57---9,3x62---9,3x64) The 9,3x64 is like the 375H&H in ballastics. I believe there is a new Saiga semi-auto rifle in the 9,3x53 too.  Since this caliber is over 100 years old it probably never caught on in america because we were afraid of the "MM" (milimeters) for so many years we probably never really understood what it mean't. I believe its gaining a little ground here in the US now finally.  Its been mainly used in Africa but i'm not sure about the land down under? Australia

[kombi1976]

I don't think the small ring mausers can handle the breech pressure of the 9,3x62 round its in the area of a 300win mag  and just under  a 338winmag too. There's a big difference between 9,3x57 and 9,3x62 in breech pressure. I think a 98 action is the way to go.

I really like the european 9,3mm caliber they can use three rifles and cover a lot of different hunting situations.(9,3x57---9,3x62---9,3x64) The 9,3x64 is like the 375H&H in ballastics. I believe there is a new Saiga semi-auto rifle in the 9,3x53 too.  Since this caliber is over 100 years old it probably never caught on in america because we were afraid of the "MM" (milimeters) for so many years we probably never really understood what it mean't. I believe its gaining a little ground here in the US now finally.  Its been mainly used in Africa but i'm not sure about the land down under? Australia

Actually there were a number a M96 actioned Huskys built in the 1950s that were chambered to 9.3x62 and these seem eminently safe to those I've spoken to who own them.
I examined Hodgdons data for the old '62 and it has a maximum pressure of about 48,000CUP.
On the other hand the 300 Win Mag tops the 53,000CUP mark, a quite significant difference.
Don't get me wrong.
My intention is not to try and make an elephant gun.
A .375H&H the 9.3x62 is not! :shock:
The 9.3x64, or the new 9.3x66 Sako....well, that's a whole different bag of ferrets. :mrgreen:
But the '62 could make for an interesting and fast handling sambar deer rifle, with maybe even the grunt to take water buffs up north.
For that matter the 9.3x62 has begun to win over fans here, especially chambered in the CZ 550 Lux.
The Italian firm Sabatti also chambers it in their Rover bolt action rifles and the '62 has shown an alarming amount of "smack down" ability on sambar, which are roughly the size of an elk. :twisted:
The irony of the 9.3x62 is that it is incredibly similar to the 35 Whelen, which of course is based on the '06 case, despite the fact the '62 actually preceeds the 30-06.
Mind you the '62 has the edge on the Whelen.
But if you necked an '06 to .366" you'd just about have the 9.3x62.
And sad to say, yeah, you Yankees are afraid of those dreaded metric thingys(no offence intended).

[1911crazy]

I believe the 9,3x62 is a tad under the 338win.mag. in power but the breech pressure isn't that high maybe its the bigger bore with the lesser necked case that cuts down on the breech pressure but yet still has the knock down power.

Now the 9,3x62 was out long before the whelen which just proves the metric thingy too. And yes here i'm seeing more and more post about the 9,3x62 on other forums too so this 100 year old caliber isn't dead yet its just comming to life here with some yanks not all of us yet. Maybe with all the talk about the 9,3mm and a gain in popularity here we just may see more bullets made in different weights too. I want to definitely add two more rifles for hunting bears and the 9,3x62 and 9,3x64 is the perfect pick too. Yup two more for my wish list.  I have heard the difference between the 9,3x62 and 9,3x64 is the 9,3x62 won't go thru some animals, maybe its the thicker skinned ones where the 9,3x64 will shoot thru it. It comes down to a power thing and matching the power with the game.

And yes the yankees are afraid of the metric (milimeters). We tend to be ignorant sometimes to different things and some avoid and fight change too. Hell some still don't like the 6,5mm swede and the 7mm & 8mm mausers too.  I really don't think the 7mm Remington mag caught on the way they thought it would too because of the "MM" too. I think its just recently the metric is starting to catch on with some.  Some even think our calibers are the best until you look at the 9,3mm calibers from around 1905. I think the gun manufacturers here now try to stay away from calling them metric "MM" too.  We are calling them the numbers on the bullet diameter like .204, .260 and .280 just don't call them 6,5mm or 7mm.  I think the past few generations will be into the metric calibers its just getting started here. Our cars aren't even fully metric yet too their half and half too. Funny??

[kombi1976]

There are a couple of factors explaining the increased performance of the 9.3x62 as compared to the 35 Whelen.
The '62 has a shorter neck and the shoulder is slightly further forward giving it a larger case capacity.
Then there's the equal-bullet-mass/larger-calibre effect where 2 rifles of similar case dimensions and powder load but different cal actually give the larger cal a larger MV because less of the bullet touches the bore therefore being less friction.
Compare the 30-06 to the .338-06.
It also equates to a slightly lower ballistic coefficient for the larger cal(in this case 9.3mm) but the bigger cross section also helps on impact.
So basically more powder and less bore friction plus a larger frontal area ends up in a more effective round in real world terms if not on paper.
BTW, how strong are the Turk 98s?
Are they the Ankaras? :|