Triggers on the Winch 1000x

[TM7]

Can anything, anything at all, be done to lighten the trigger pulls on these winnie 1000 series springers???


...............TM7

[Lawdog]

You might contact Daisy at the following and see what they say.

Daisy Outdoor Products
P.O. Box 220
Rogers, Arkansas
72757-0220
(800) 643-3458

Let us know how you do.  Lawdog
 

[Lawdog]

You might contact Daisy at the following and see what they say.

Daisy Outdoor Products
P.O. Box 220
Rogers, Arkansas
72757-0220
(800) 643-3458

Let us know how you do.  Lawdog
 

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Spoke to customer service, and they said the triggers are set to break at
12 to 14 lbs  :roll: . But I complained and said 12 shots is about all one can muster to shoot with the gun before you have to ice your trigger finger. Literally, my wife can not pull this trigger. Never in my wildest dreams would I think anybody would release a gun with such a horrid trigger pull. I challenge any shooter to fire this rifle and keep it on target:  just plain no fun. Good power, cocking difficult, appearances OKay, but useless. But customer service was very nice and they said to send it back and they would replace it. Which I will do. Funny thing is my friend came over with one which was fine--I was able to do 15 yard groups covered by a quarter, not too bad. So for 1o5 dollars I said I need .177. Didn't work quite right though.


...............TM7

They said 12 - 14 lbs.,  :eek:  I must have been very lucky with the one I bought my daughter, got it from Big 5 Sports a little over 3 years ago for $72.95.  Brand new it broke at 7.25 lbs..  Had a tune up done by Charlie’s Springer Works and after he got done with the trigger it broke at 3.5 lbs. that after wearing in it now breaks at 2.82 lbs.  Cocking effort is down to 20 - 22 lbs. and very smooth.  Accuracy is good, grouping at 1.25” @ 40 yards.  I replaced it with a .22 caliber as she mostly uses it for pest control around her rabbit shed.  I keep it now in my reloading shed as it over looks the back half of the wife’s garden.  Shots usually average 20 - 30 yards and the .177 caliber works just fine for keeping gopher/mole size pests cleaned out.

The real problem with the Winchester 1000 was after I bought mine Daisy had a falling out with the Turkish company that manufactured them and switched to a company in South America.  These were real POS.  Nothing but complaints on every air gun forum on the net.  After a bit over a year Daisy went back to the original manufacture in Turkey.  Complaints from customers do help.  Lawdog
 

[Lawdog]

Lawdog,,,, that's funny....my friends 1000x is a Brazilian made and fit and finish is a notch or two above mine. Moreover you can actually shoot the gun accurately given that the trigger pull is crisply at 7 lbs or so. Mine is turkish and is a cruel joke with the horrid trigger pull. Since they offered to replace it, I was going to opt for a Brazilian replacement--what do you recomend? BTW...they said cocking effort is about 49 lbs from the factory on these guns!!!  :shock:


..................................TM7

If Daisy is going to do the work without cost to you then go with what Daisy is offering.  As for 49 lb. cocking effort, someone is pulling you leg.  I have tested both the Turkish and Brazilian models and neither had that much cocking effort.  The ones I tested had around 35 lbs. of cocking effort.  First of all they are not that powerful, a Beeman Kodiak/Webley Patriot(both the same rifle)  has 48 lbs. of cocking effort and it’s about the most powerful “springer” rifle you can buy.  Yes the Winchesters are advertised as having 1,000 fps. but don’t you believe it.  They are more like 880 fps. using the lightest weight target pellet you can find.  I have run more than a few of both models over both of my chronographs and the velocity runs between 860 to 890 fps.  The velocity will improve until the rifle gets broke in, around 500 to 1,000 pellets, but even broke in they rarely reach 900 fps..  I know what Daisy advertises as a cocking effort but it’s greatly exaggerated.  Lawdog
 

[Dan877]

I found a web site with instructions on how to improve the trigger on the Winchester's.  

I have one of the Turkish ones in .22, the trigger was well over 10 lbs.  with lots of take up and creep.   I did the tricks on the website plus a few of my own and got it down to around 3 pounds and eliminated much of the take-up and almost all of the creep.  I could have gotten it lighter and gotten out more of the takeup and creep, but I can live with it like it is, it's a remarkable difference.  It's actually a pleasure to shoot and I killed 4 squirrels last weekend  on my first hunt using it.

The trigger job is pretty straight forward, taking only about 30 minutes.  If you're the least bit mechanically inclined you can probably do it yourself, I did, but then I tinker with guns all the time.

If you're interested I'll try to find the link again.

Dan

[Dan877]

Take a look at:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/392756/message/1110838050/trigger+overhaul

It's got photos and information about the trigger, how to disassemble it and improve it.  And there is more info on other posts there if you look.  

It's not really necessary to disassemble the whole trigger mechanism as shown, but it helps to understand how the trigger functions, so it doesn't hurt.  Getting the sear spring back in takes a couple of tries until you get the hang of it, but otherwise it's a pretty simple operation.  The main goal is to polish the two engagement faces (No. 2) in the last photo.  Polishing the trigger to sear engagement is not so important, but won't hurt.


In addition to the things shown on the page, I:

A.  Ground appx. 1/3 off the sear, as per one of the other posts there
B.  Polished the sear face and mainspring plunger face to a mirror shine after honing them.
C.  Replaced the sear spring with a lighter one (one post recommended cutting a coil from the sear spring but I replaced it instead)
D.  Replaced the rear trigger spring, it seemed to only be there to keep the trigger from flopping, but was strong enough to add to pull weight
E.  Filed down and rounded the "peak" on the safety bar so the safety isn't so hard to operate (didn't help the trigger but sure made the safty easier)

Test everything for safety when you finish.  If you have questions let me know.

Dan

PS.  I'm not trying to advertise another forum, just pointing to the information.  Besides that forum seems pretty dead anyway.

[Dan877]

I forgot, one more thing I did, on mine the little brass tab that empinges against the screw on the trigger when the safety is on was a little too wide and the screw dragged on the very corner of it when the trigger was pulled so I filed the corner off.

I did a friend's Winchester last night, his was worse than mine, he's 73 and couldn't physically shoot it because the trigger was so heavy, I'd guess in the 14 lb. range.  I didn't get his as light as mine, I didn't have another replacement sear spring, but it's at about 6 lbs, and breaks smooth and crisp.  I did polish the sear face where the trigger presses on it.  After shooting both his seems a little crisper than mine, so that may make a difference.   I'll pull mine back apart and polish it just for good measure.

Getting the sear spring back in his was a lot more difficult than mine, his trigger housing seemed to have less room inside than mine.  Apparently the manufacturing tolerances were really loose.

Good Luck
Dan