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Offline victorcharlie

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« on: November 05, 2005, 05:55:35 AM »
I've got a couple of rifles that have cheap simmons and tasco scopes on them that are absolutely terrible.........I'm thinking that a fixed 4X is truly all a fellow needs for most hunting situations.........so, I'm thinking the .270 and .243 ultra light would be fine with a fixed power scope......less moving parts, lighter weight ect...........while brightness is an issue, the thing I really hate is not being clear on the edges..........
 
I'd like to know which fixed power scopes are clearest and brightest.......and most durable......
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2005, 06:09:23 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2005, 06:17:47 AM »
Another one that I would recommend is the Nikon Monarch 4x40.  This is a great scope.
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2005, 06:23:39 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2005, 11:16:30 AM »
I'll second the Nikon Monarch 4x40.  I've been using one for a couple of years now and it's a bright, clear, solid scope.  Great price on it as well....at the Optic Zone of course.

I put a Leupold FXII 4x on another rifle this year and it is a nice scope.  I actually think the Monarch is slightly brighter/clearer and I like the reticle in the Monarch better.  The Leupold does have better eye relief, and is much lighter/smaller.

I'll recommend either one of these.  I'm gradually moving all my rifles to fixed 4's or 6's.  I'm looking at the Kahles fixed scopes next.....but that's quite a bit of savings in the future.

Hope this helps.

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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2005, 05:35:05 AM »
Don't over look the Weaver scopes - they are a well know brand and have been in business for years. I have traded many weapons - but my Weaver scopes have just been moved from Weapons to Weapons. Have a couple - *sigh* - that are probably older than many of the members here... :oops:
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2005, 06:12:59 AM »
I was wondering about the Weavers......I can buy 2 Weavers for the price of one Nikon Monarch..........or Leupold......
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2005, 06:52:03 AM »
VC, reread you complaint about the scopes you have. I'm not flaming you BUT you could buy two Yugos for the price of a real car too. Think before you buy. Weavers aren't bad but they're not what you really want. If you buy a Nikon Monarch 4x you'll never look back and you could buy one this year and another next year if you really like it (which you will).  :wink:
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2005, 07:07:45 AM »
Yep....your right Dave.......Funny, when I was a kid a weaver was about as good as a fellow could do.........So the Nikon Monarch is clearer around the edges than a Leupold?
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2005, 11:14:32 AM »
VC, I don't personally own a Nikon. My son does, a 3x9. I bought it for him about three years ago. He also has a Leupold Vari x III 2.5x8. He rates the Nikon above the Leupold for clarity, brightness, and the reticle is bolder (not overly so) than the Leupold standard duplex. He's going to send the Varix III to Premier Reticle for a German #4 reticle. The Nikon is fine as is. I've looked through both and like the Nikon better. Plus the Nikon has fast focus. I didn't think I'd like that feature but now I realize I do. I wear glasses with little correction so if hunting in the rain I'd not wear the specs. The fast focus is a blessing at those times. I will say what is better for you may be different for me. My Vari X 2 1x4 is ok to me but two guys looked through it yesterday and were amazed how clear it is. I like it but I don't rate it as high as they did and it's my scope. Go figure.  :roll:

As a side note I'll add a friend and co-worker's wife asked for my input on a new scope for his birthday. His comment after receiving it was"I didn't know how bad my Tasco Worldclass was until I got my Nikon Monarch".
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2005, 01:42:18 PM »
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VC, I don't personally own a Nikon


This is not to flame you but:

I do own Weaver and I will put them up against the Nikon -

 I am sure Nikon has some very good scopes - guess we need to compare apples to apples - And if Weaver is so bad - I wonder why - there are so many T36 Weavers sold - ???? Come to think of it - I see people wanting to buy Simmons scope - junk - ??? - I have two and there are many out there - not sure I will compare it to the Weaver or the Nikon though.
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2005, 03:33:00 PM »
coyote 2, I did own a Weaver 2x10 and my son still does. I could see a small object just as clearly at 300 yards with my Burris Signature 1.5x6 on 6x as I could my Weaver on 10x. The object didn't look as close but it was just as clear. I have looked at length through the Nikon more than once so it's not really hearsay. Now with the Weavers, which line are you commenting on? The Grand Slam series is probably as good as a VariX III or Nikon Monarch. Each to their own. The Nikon Monarch 3x9 is about $150 less than a 2.5x8 Leupold. A good deal. The Weaver K-4 is $100 less than the Nikon. If it is as good it's a great deal. The new Weavers may be better than what I owned. If you believe the Weaver fixed 4x K-series is as good as the Nikon Monarch I can't or won't say you're wrong. Optics are a personal thing and every one's eyes are different. Comparing apples to apples is right on but the target series Weavers are oranges aren't they?  :wink:  The scopes made in El Paso were great scopes. The ones made overseas have had their ups and downs.
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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2005, 12:23:48 PM »
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I was wondering about the Weavers......I can buy 2 Weavers for the price of one Nikon Monarch..........or Leupold......


The Nikon Monarch is one of the best values out there.  As most members (and guests) know, my favorite 2 scopes are the Nikon Monarch and Bushnell Elite 4200.  Of the two, only Nikon's Monarch comes in a 4x fixed, and I highly recommend it.

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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2005, 01:24:40 PM »
Hello Zachary........you back in Miami or still moving around the country?  Sounds like I'm going to have to have a close look at a Nikon.........
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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2005, 05:10:10 AM »
Hey victorcharlie,

You're more than welcome to take a trip out here to the mountain to look at the Nikon Monarch 4x and the Leupold FXII 4x side by side.

I'm always on the run, but let me know and I'll try to meet you.  You're always welcome......

Take care,
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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2005, 10:57:04 AM »
I have a 4x32 Millett BuckSilver on my 1895 and so far so good.
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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2005, 12:37:24 PM »
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Hello Zachary........you back in Miami or still moving around the country?  Sounds like I'm going to have to have a close look at a Nikon.........


Victorcharlie,

I am currently in Virginia - Williamsburg to be exact - and it looks like I'm going to be staying here.  My brother and his family lives here, and I love this part of the country.  Heck, I might even get a chance to go hunting.  Did I mention that we saw a 10 point buck crossing the road just 2 miles from my brother's house? :grin:

Yes, the Nikon Monarch is an exceptional value and you should definately take a look at it.  I myself own not just one or two, but several monarchs and I have been very pleased with them.  I also bought many of them from Jon at the Opticzone and I have been equally impressed with his prices and service for about 3 or so years now - even before they were a member/sponsor of this site. :grin:

Zachary
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« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2005, 08:14:45 PM »
Greetings everyone!

Another vote for the Nikon Monarch - great scopes!

Best wishes,
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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2005, 08:36:27 AM »
I started buying Leupold's after Redfield and Weaver bit the dust. They are pretty decent scopes. Earlier this year, at the insistence of hunting buddies, I purchased a VX-III 4.5-14x50 to mount on my new WBY Vanguard in 7mm Rem. Mag. At the bench, sighting in, I was pleased. In the field it was a different story. Practicing blasting rocks using shooting stix, prone, and sitting positions, I just couldn't acquire a good sight picture and ended up with a new eyebrow. An optics guru suggested that since I normally leave the variables at 6X I should get a fixed power at that magnification. Most shops in my area have limited stock of fixed powers. I was able to find one that had a FX-III 6x42 and a Nikon Monarch 6x42. Side by side, the Nikon had the best clear, bright, picture right out to the edge. Bringing it home and comparing it to my VX-III at 6x was even more astonishing. Moral? Scopes have improved considerably. My neighbors new Simmons Aetec 2.8-10x44 outshines my old Vari-X II 3x9.
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