Author Topic: Cheeseheads--Sound off!! (Read 1474 times)

379 Peterbilt · « **on:** July 22, 2005, 01:34:04 PM »

Graybeard has allowed us a Wisconsin outdoors forum. Hunting, fishing, or anything else that can be done while not on the couch can be discussed. If you have something to ask or say then lets hear about it.

Step up & post your interests, questions or concerns. Mine is hunting deer and fishing muskies.

Yours?

wipartimer · « **Reply #1 on:** July 22, 2005, 04:44:11 PM »

WoooHooo! I had given up on ever seeing this forum. I'm from South-Central Wi. I love to deer hunt , trap alittle, and am just getting into duck hunting for around here. I also love to take a trip to Texas every year to get some wild pork for our freezers. I will be takeing my second trip to Ontario for black bear this fall also, can't wait! Thank You for giving us this one G.B. :-D

Graybeard · « **Reply #2 on:** July 22, 2005, 04:53:36 PM »

Cheese heads? :eek: Boy that's a cheesy remark. :-D

It's been a long time really since I've taken the time to review the polls on new forums. This one had finally met the needed dozen yes votes so I decided to set it up even tho it sure took a long time to get them. We'll see how it goes. If you use it you can keep it. If not, welll.... :roll:

jh45gun · « **Reply #3 on:** July 26, 2005, 05:47:10 AM »

Thanks Bill I just noticed it I will be checking in here from time to time.

Thanks for Moderating Eyesore. My interest. Shooting all types of guns and hunting with them. From muzzle loaders to my milsurps shotguns and pistols.

Bow now crossbow hunting for deer. Trout fishing for brook trout and I like to fish for every thing else too what ever is biteing. You mentioned Muskies got a 48 and a half inch tiger muskie on the wall I caught when I was 16. boy that was a few years ago. :grin: Biggest buck was my first one a 10 pointer with a decent rack. Lots of others over the years but nothing rivaled that first one though I missed a huge one a couple of years ago. My fault was shooting some 308 in my Encore pistol that were a bit stout and I developed a flinch. Made me miss the deer. After that I downloaded some cast loads and shot until the flinch was gone. Shot a 5 pointer and a doe with the same cast loads last year. Like to duck hunt and bird hunt and have not tried the turkey thing yet. I am waiting for them to get established in the northern part of the state. They are getting here there are some already just need for the population to grow and they just planted some too.

EsoxLucius · « **Reply #4 on:** July 27, 2005, 08:19:30 AM »

I am still shaking my head regarding the proposed deer rules. Why have a deer streamlining team to objectively study deer seasons, ways to achieve population goals and address various user group needs and desires and then ignore every thing they recommend? Their recommendations would move the October antlerless hunt farther away from the start of the rut so bow hunters would have a herd mostly settled down going into the rut. The bow hunters would then have a hunt in pre-rut and about two-thirds/three-fourths of the rut. The recommendations would also put the gun season into about the last third/fourth of rut. Currently, the gun season rarely see rutting bucks and they are usually young bucks that aren't holed up with a doe harem yet.

But in Wisconsin we are moving farther away from science toward all political decisions. Some guy hunts deer for 30 years and all of a sudden he's a wildlife biologist.

Deer Streamlining Team

Committee Charge:
The Deer Streamlining Team was assembled at the direction of Department of Natural Resources Secretary Scott Hassett due to the reports from deer hunters and department staff regarding the confusion over tagging and season options during the 2003 deer hunting season. The following recommendations are the product of seven meetings of the Deer Streamlining Team. This team, consisted of representatives from Law Enforcement, Wildlife Management, Legal Services, Science Services, Customer Service and Licensing and a representative from the Conservation Congress. The Secretary charged the team with finding a way to:

Simplify deer harvest management to make it more user friendly while balancing science and enforceability needs.

Executive Summary from the report:
The Deer Streamlining Team discussed and scored a number of recommendations that are intended to simplify deer hunting regulations through consistent and stable seasons and tagging options. These recommendations received the highest scores, when analyzed by the team with the help of simplification matrix (appendix A), and are expected to achieve the highest degree of simplification without compromising science or enforcement.

Tagging options:

The Hunters Choice option would replaced by creating two unit types (Restricted Quota Units (RQU) and Unrestricted Quota Units (UQU)) and antlerless tags for each.
In Unrestricted Quota Units, antlerless tags would be available at 2-for-1 pricing in addition to one free antlerless tag with each license.
In Restricted Quota Units, antlerless tags would be available for purchase on a first come-first served basis.
Regular gun deer and archery licenses would be valid for one buck only.
Eliminate the ability for archers to fill a gun tag hunters choice authorization.

Season length and dates:

16-day statewide gun deer season would begin the Saturday nearest November 15.
4-day statewide October antlerless season starting the Thursday nearest October 15.
4-day statewide antlerless hunt starting the second Thursday after thanksgiving.
Special youth hunt is replaced by the ability for a first time hunters education graduate to shoot a deer of either sex in any unit statewide.

Other:

Eliminate the River Block either sex season.
Fewer and larger deer management units.
Legalize crossbow use for all hunters.

*Note: Earn-a-buck seasons would be retained as a management tool and implemented in a unit after 2 consecutive seasons of unrestricted quota hunting and the overwinter population estimate is not within 20% of goal.

Advantages of these proposals include:

Each license type (Archery and Gun) would come with two tags (1 buck tag and 1 UQU antlerless only tag). This would improve statewide consistency and simplification.
A buck tag is the only tag that can be used on a buck and is weapon specific. There would be less confusion about which tag to use. Antlerless tags are not weapon specific.
There would be only two hunting structures (CWD notwithstanding): Restricted Quota Units and Unrestricted Quota Units. Currently there are at least 4 (EAB, Zone T, Regular, River Block). This would also reduce confusion.
The early October gun season would be moved further away from the rut or pre-rut season. This would provide stability to this antlerless season, which is important for deer herd management.
There would be no hunters choice application deadline or applications to deal with.
Provide more opportunities to harvest deer with multiple openers, which will result in more deer harvested. This should reduce the frequency of more drastic herd reduction measures i.e. EAB.
Legalization of crossbows would improve consistency and increase hunting opportunities.

jh45gun · « **Reply #5 on:** July 27, 2005, 08:12:31 PM »

No matter what they do they are going to make folks mad so I really do not have the answers on this one. I am disabled and I bow now xbow hunt and gun hunt with a disabled permit. I like the T zone seasons as it gets me out with out the cold which I cannot stand as well anymore due to poor circulation yet a lot of folks hate it. The issue of WI and non residents buying all the permits they can fill has hurt the herd in some places too so that should be addressed. What the heck if you buy a bow license now and a gun one that is at least 4 tags or even up to 6 how many more tags do you need?

? I like the idea of any one useing a crossbow it does not affect me as I can and it makes me mad that the WI bow hunters assoc is so dead against it as they are other things like putting seasons that over lap into their season. These folks are the most selfish hunters I have ever seen and really do not do much credit to WI hunters and I will stand by that 100% so if you do not agree let it fly. I do not think that one organisation should be able to sway the folks that make the rules in WI but they sure do. I have bow hunted for years and never joined them for their out look on other hunters. The woods belongs to more than them in Oct/Nov but you sure would not know it the way some of them act. Yea I know some gun hunters are just as bad there are no easy answers but so many folks are so hard wired into the format of the seasons now I wonder if they really will change it?

Jim

Nixter · « **Reply #6 on:** July 31, 2005, 11:35:56 AM »

Jim, I do not bow hunt yet, nor do I intend to very soon. It seems to me that the Wiscvonsin Bowhunters Assoc. has a very effective lobbying group on it's payroll/behalf. There are other groups like the snowmobiliers that also have an effective lobbying group. Just part of politics I guess. Is it right? I don't know.

You have a beef with current laws and such? Develop an effective lobbying group to defend your position.

Not saying I agree or dis-agree with your statements. Just my own observations.

I'm a simple man with simple needs and wants. I hate politics for money. I just want to hunt and fish and shoot and do my own thing and I try to do it within the confines of state and federal regulations.

Hope some of this makes sense.

Nixter

PS. thanks to Graybeard for this forum for us Cheeseheads and thanks to Eyesore for moderating it.

jh45gun · « **Reply #7 on:** July 31, 2005, 09:34:15 PM »

Yea your post makes sense Nixter and I tend to agree with you. As far as a lobbing group for xbows goes there has been one already started in WI. Do not remember the particulars but I have seen the info on one of these sites. Jim

mountainview · « **Reply #8 on:** August 03, 2005, 05:32:04 AM »

I'm neutral on the crosbow issue but dread the prospect that the legal beavers at the DNR would have another opportunity to muddy the water even more on hunting regs.

myronman3 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 03, 2005, 11:59:19 AM »

well, well, well! looks like the suggestion came to fruition and i didnt notice until today!!! i am glad to see my fellow statesmen show an interest in this forum. i will be checking in daily from here on out. later guys!

jh45gun · « **Reply #10 on:** August 03, 2005, 02:35:42 PM »

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I'm neutral on the crosbow issue but dread the prospect that the legal beavers at the DNR would have another opportunity to muddy the water even more on hunting regs.

Whats there to muddy? Just allow xbows as a viable alternative during archery season. Contrary to the belief of some they both shoot about the same distance with bows hedging that a bit because of a heavier arrow. They both kill the same so I really cannot see the difference except some bow hunters of the WI Bow Hunters Ass. see it as a threat which is stupid as these same folks probably fought the same fight to allow compounds when they wanted to be used and the traditionalst fought against it. Others may not want to see a new type of hunter in the woods as they are afraid that some one else may shoot "their Deer" Well until it is tagged it is no ones deer!!!!! I have hunted with a crossbow for a couple of years now because I am disabled and you know what there are no guarantees here they have the same limitations that a bow does and unless you have a clear shot in range and have practiced with the xbow so you know where your arrow goes as with a bow you are going to miss it is that simple. Grass and branches knock a xbow arrow or bolt as some call them off track just as easy as it does with a bow. Bottom line is you have to practice and know your range and limitations just as you do with a regular bow. These false claims of 100 yards with a xbow and other odd claims are BS pure and simple so I do not see any reason why they should not be allowed and if it brings a new person into the woods to hunt so much the better as hunters all over the country are down in numbers and if we want to keep our sports and have hunters that will fight against the anti hunters and the peta folks than we need some new blood no matter where it comes from Kids or the ladies or some new hunters who maybe could not bowhunt before but could with a xbow. Jim

myronman3 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 03, 2005, 04:30:48 PM »

i aint so sure about allowing xbows during archery season. but...

i think it is stupid that they cant be used during muzzleloader season, rifle season, or during bear season. i also think it is dumb that they dont allow it for small game hunting.

for those that are disabled (or over 60) i aint got any problems with their use.

jh45gun · « **Reply #12 on:** August 03, 2005, 07:48:29 PM »

Well your saying what most bowhunters say I do not care if you use them just not during our hunt if you want to use it any other time go for it. Well you know what that is Bullcrap of the first degree as a the second word in crossbow is BOW it is a BOW no matter how you look at it IT IS NOT A GUN NOR DOES IT ACT LIKE ONE! it acts no different than a compound BOW and a RELEASE. ( Trigger) only the bow is cocked for longer. Xbows may ghave a stock but there the simularity ends it is no gun nor does it act like one. The arrow acts the same wether it is released from a compound or a xbow. WI bow hunters now say no crossbows during our season, No T zone hunts during our season as it screws up the rut and no bear dogs or bear hunting as that screws up our season. Hey Small game hunters screw up our season we do not want a early rifle season as that would screw up our season and on and on and on. Some bow hunters would be happy if no one else was in the woods besides them and if some other bowhunter gets too close they do not like that either. Well as I have stated before the woods does not belong to just bow hunters and the deer is not their deer until they tag it. Seems to me there is some real selfishness going on here and it does not give any of us WI hunters a good name when that kind of attitude happens as far as the above things said about bow hunters seasons I have heard them all from different bow hunters and I bet most of you have too. Seems to me we need more cooperation in stead if ONLY ME attitude in the WI woods. For the record I have bow hunted for years so I know that end of the situation too but I never had the attidudes listed above one reason I never joined the WI bow hunters ass. Also the age limit is 65 or disabled for crossbow use. I think any one should be able to use them it has not hurt anything in the states that allow it now or the provinces in Canada that allow it. Like I have said before the bottom line is getting more folks to hunt wether it be the kids or ladies or some new guys if a xbow entices them to do so I am all for it. WIth this Me attitude if that keeps up we may not have a future for hunters in this state as the anti hunters will not stop so for us as hunters to bicker over a method used is foolish. That also extends to the foolish inline traditional muzzle loader debate . ( I own and use both) Jim

myronman3 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 04, 2005, 04:12:55 PM »

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it acts no different than a compound BOW and a RELEASE.

not true. you must draw a bow when the deer gets close. most times this is what gives you away. a crossbow can be cocked for hours on end.

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WI bow hunters now say no crossbows during our season, No T zone hunts during our season as it screws up the rut and no bear dogs or bear hunting as that screws up our season.

also not true. for the quite a while now we have had a t zone right smack dab in the middle of archery season. right before the rut, too. you know how hard it is to kill a deer with a bow, especially after everyone and their brother has been out shooting at them.

and as far back as i can remember, bear season and bow deer season overlap quite a bit. i dont know any deer bowhunters that mind at all.

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Hey Small game hunters screw up our season

aint heard that one either ('xept maybe from a young hunter who dont know any better then to sit tight and see what might be kicked up).

now i understand what your saying. now hear me out...

bowhunting is about something more than getting your deer. it is about hunting. to actually stack the odds in favor of your quarry, and go out and still try to get them.

it is also about getting to pursue the game in their natural state, one their terms. not running around like pinballs with everyone shooting at them.

there are some people who look to use every bit of advantage they can in order to sway the odds in their favor. most of us bowhunters see crossbows as an example of this. another is scent suits, bait, on and on.
the list never seems to end. if easy is what a person is after, bowhunting isnt the game.

and it aint about killing "my deer". i could care less. i havent killed a deer (while hunting) since 2000. and i am fine with that. to me it is more about the health of the herd and enjoying my hunt.

i do respect your opinion, even though we may view it from a different angle.

jh45gun · « **Reply #14 on:** August 04, 2005, 05:53:46 PM »

Well first of all xbows cannot be cocked for long periods they should be uncocked after being cocked for 4 hours so that may mean that you have to shoot a arrow or bolt to un cock it and then start over. This may be right when you need not to be moving around and no one can time when things will happen. I have heard all the excuses I mentioned or I would have not mentioned them and YES bowhunters do not like the Tzone season but then to be fair neither do some gun hunters.
Many bow hunters just do not want to share the woods with anyone. As far as Hunting goes shooting a deer no matter what you use is not that big of a deal unless you trophy hunt maybe. I hunt to kill deer to eat so I am not as picky as some and I have seen big bucks that acted pretty darn stupid that any one could have killed and some have been. :grin: In the northern part of the state a lot of folks are against bear hunting and bear dogs and not just bow hunters either. I support their right to hunt as I do all other forms of hunting. I guess I am not as selfish as some. It may not be killing YOUR DEER for you but it is for many guys out there and it does not limit to bows either some gun hunters feel the same way. I have only missed one season since 1964 when I turned 12 and was able to hunt and I have heard lots of hunters mouthing off in the bars ect after the hunt and now on the web so I know what I am talking about as far as what others say and have said. Jim

myronman3 · « **Reply #15 on:** August 06, 2005, 09:36:41 AM »

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bowhunters do not like the Tzone season but then to be fair neither do some gun hunters.

all the bowhunters i know are not necessarily against the t-zone; but more against the time of the season. why not have it earlier in the year? why wait until right before the rut? cause some one wasnt thinking.

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As far as Hunting goes shooting a deer no matter what you use is not that big of a deal unless you trophy hunt maybe.

i am sorry you feel that way. if i ever start thinking that, i will hang it up. every animal is a trophy to me, no matter the size or sex.

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It may not be killing YOUR DEER for you but it is for many guys out there and it does not limit to bows either some gun hunters feel the same way.

sadly, there are those out there, and i think more and more folks are going down that path. too many hunters are that way.

jh45gun · « **Reply #16 on:** August 07, 2005, 08:20:30 AM »

Quote from: myronman3

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bowhunters do not like the Tzone season but then to be fair neither do some gun hunters.

all the bowhunters i know are not necessarily against the t-zone; but more against the time of the season. why not have it earlier in the year? why wait until right before the rut? cause some one wasnt thinking.

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As far as Hunting goes shooting a deer no matter what you use is not that big of a deal unless you trophy hunt maybe.

i am sorry you feel that way. if i ever start thinking that, i will hang it up. every animal is a trophy to me, no matter the size or sex.

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It may not be killing YOUR DEER for you but it is for many guys out there and it does not limit to bows either some gun hunters feel the same way.

sadly, there are those out there, and i think more and more folks are going down that path. too many hunters are that way.

# 1 you have a point maybe it would be better earlier but then you and I do not make those decisions/ #2 yea I stated that wrong I think every thing I harvest is special too but some folks put way to much emphasis on shooting big bucks and passing up does which do need harvesting. To have a balanced herd I think you have to do both and I do not mind shooting does. On # 3 we agree completely.

myronman3 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 07, 2005, 09:51:33 AM »

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#2 yea I stated that wrong I think every thing I harvest is special too but some folks put way to much emphasis on shooting big bucks and passing up does which do need harvesting.

i think you and i agree more than we disagree. the above statement is what is wrong with hunting and a part of the reason that getting permisson to hunt property is becoming harder and harder.

jh45gun · « **Reply #18 on:** August 08, 2005, 04:59:07 PM »

Yep

DECKAPE · « **Reply #19 on:** August 09, 2005, 10:38:26 AM »

hi group........live in east central wi.......love this state lived here all my life .....except when uncle sam had me in the 60's.....dont do much hunting any more....just deer hunting.........turkey once in awile spring and fall.........mostly hang out with my best friends.....casey.......golden ret.......and jack..........ole#7......got to love those southern boys for their sour mash..........

jh45gun · « **Reply #20 on:** August 09, 2005, 10:45:47 AM »

Quote from: DECKAPE

hi group........live in east central wi.......love this state lived here all my life .....except when uncle sam had me in the 60's.....dont do much hunting any more....just deer hunting.........turkey once in awile spring and fall.........mostly hang out with my best friends.....casey.......golden ret.......and jack..........ole#7......got to love those southern boys for their wiskey..........

Yep they sure do I am a Beam drinker my self. :grin:

The Pistoleer · « **Reply #21 on:** September 16, 2005, 02:58:13 AM »

Gee, it's been awhile since I scrolled down this far. I just noticed this forum :oops:

I have been a bow hunter 45 years and a gun hunter for 40. I have been unable to draw my bow for the past couple of years and Have just completed the process for getting my crossbow permit.

I too love this state even the snow and cold weather :grin:

I have been told that fishing is something you do between hunting seasons and that you take up when you are too old for sex :wink: , so I'm not much of a fisherman :grin:

I have been active in cowboy action shooting for the past 10 years but have began to lose interest, (maybe it's time to take up fishing)

I am pretty active with the local Friends of the NRA and have been lobbying for the concealed carry law for the past couple of years.

I am not a DNR basher I do think in general they do a good job. It's too bad they have to be so heavily influenced by political considerations and less by good biological science.

I plan to go to the DNR today and finish what is needed to get my crossbow permit and maybe I'll be in the deer woods in the not too distant future. :grin: :grin: :grin:

JeffG · « **Reply #22 on:** November 20, 2005, 04:12:37 AM »

Remember guys, this is the same Department of No Results that told us without laughing out loud that the wild turkey could not be hunted until they established a good population, because the winters were sooooooo harsh here. * at that time most of the turkeys were migrating from Upper Michigan...the land of the 100 inch snowfall....Hellooo?!