I shoot the Max in an Encore as a rifle and a pistol. I tried Lil-Gun this past spring and wasn't pleased with it. My groups were much larger than with other powders, not sure about velocity since I do not have a crono. I have found that for me and my firearms that Winchester 296 is the best. I am using Speer 125gr and 180gr bullets and also the Hornady 180gr.