Black Diamond fouling

[Jim n Iowa]

I was trying to zero in my 50 cal T/C Black Diamond. I was using 295 power belts/ 100 gr triple 7/ 209 primer. I ran a wet patch (windex with vinegar) after every round( had to). After 15 rounds the trigger failed to release the bolt. If you apply pressure to the bolt lever it will go home. Not a desirable way to shoot. I have not taken it down yet, but suspect its fouled from shooting.
What is a typical string in a In-Line before you have a major clean up?
Jim

[lonewolf5347]

I have a thunderhawk in 54 cal made by t/c and never ran into that problem,I have gone as much as 25 shots and never had any trigger problems.Yes I clean inbetween shots with a spit patch followed with a dry patch.I would think the 100 grains of the triple 777 is throwing some grud back threw the primer area into the action.
I did use triple 777 powder but my max: load was no more then 85 grains,seem recoil is sharp alot sharper then using 120 grains of pyrodex select.
I would think in trying to reduce the load or switch to another powder to see if you still have the same problem
The black diamond it almost the same rifle as the thunderhawk only difference is the breech plug on the thunderhawk is part of the action

[Jim n Iowa]

Lonewolf
Thanks for your reply. I have used "clean shot" before and it works ok, but never went + 10 shots with it. I know its now American Select or some thing close. I hope to go deer hunting this year (if I can locate a area) and the old ML is my only hope as I just had "Carpal Tunnel surgery". The pistols will have to wait.
Back to my post, I recall ML shooters running  long strings, w/o cleaning the action, just swabbing the barrel.
Jim

[slayer]

I beleive Triple 7 and 209 primers can be very dirty and cause alot of dirty blowback. I would get the Veriflame adapter system and run either small rifle or small pistol primers in it and drop the loading down 10-20 frains of powder. good luck-Jack.

[Jim n Iowa]

Jack
Thanks for the reply,but where can I get an adapter for small rifle or pistol primers, which I have a boat load?
I may well go back to the clean shot or its new name in a measured  amount, if I can find a local source.
I have thought for some time that a 180gr 44 cal hp or fp in a sabot, pushed by 90 gr of what ever will do the job on white tails at 50 yds or so in a muzzle loader. Hell in this state you can use a 357 4" which may get up to 180 gr, to hunt deer.
Jim

[lonewolf5347]

He is a problem that can be fixed without spending a whole lot of money,switch the black diamond back to no # 11 caps.I use no # caps in my thundehawk RWS 1075 + plus and never had a mis-fire .
http://www.prbullet.com/hornet.htm
they may one for the BD made by t/c
 

[slayer]

prbullet also makes the variflame adapter. It is basically a brass 209 shell, that use put the small rifle or pistol primers in. Best invention ever for me!! Jack.

[Jim n Iowa]

Thanks for your help, I ordered the Veriflame kit. I think this will solve my problem. A hunting buddy has an earlier BD w/o the 209 adapter, use's the musket primer and never a problem.
Jim

[slayer]

Good luck with the Veriflame, I will never go back to 209`s ever Jack.

[Jim n Iowa]

Slayer
I rechecked on the Veri flame, the guy I talked to said it would not work in a BD. He was going to cancel my order, we talked some more and I told him my bolt face has a pimple like point that strikes the primer,(leaves a dent like a firing pin). So I agreed to test it, if it doesn't work he will refund the $. I have a boat load of small rifle primers and small pistol which I think will work as well. I will post the results later.

[slayer]

I hope it works for you Jim Jack.

[Jim n Iowa]

The VeriFlame arrived today, I see no reason it will not work in my BD. My bolt face has a pimple if you will, that strikes the 209 as a firing pin would. It leaves a mark similar to a rifle's firing pin, see no reason it wont work for me. My hunting buddy has a earlier BD with a flat bolt face.
Jim

[slayer]

Jim, let me know if they work, as I may pick up a BD!! I know the newer BD`s come with 3 firing options: #11-Musket and 209, should work. Jack.

[Jim n Iowa]

Jack thats the model BD I have, the one that comes with all 3 options. The bolt will have a protrusion resembling a firing pin, which will dent the primer in the center. The small pistol primers are supposedly a softer surface than the small rifle.
I will try and get out this thur to sight it in, so will post back on the outcome.
Jim

[slayer]

Yes Jim, it should very well work if you have the 209 option. Believe it or not, my shots are almost identical with either the Small pistol or Rifle primers and can`t tell the difference in kick. With the 209, the kick is seriously noticable, especially if you use a 470 grain Maxi-Ball Jack.