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Offline .17HMR

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« on: November 26, 2005, 10:53:09 AM »
Just curious who likes longs over coils or coils over longs

 I personally like the double longs myself
total for this year so far
3 grinners
2 coyotes
4 coons and
1 skunk

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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2005, 12:43:07 PM »
The only longspring trap I use any amount of,or with any regularity is the #1 stoploss.I do set a few #11s for mink and coon,but the majority of my sets for these animals,are made with coilsprings.
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2005, 02:06:39 AM »
in my opinion the coils are eaiser to bed.

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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2005, 03:16:14 AM »
I love longs. They will bed far more solid than a coil and will come up through a little frost better than a coil. They look like a trap is supposed to look and with some mods they are set for life and will almost never need further adjustment. They have their downsides like weight, bigger beds, and and more initial tuning but I still prefer them.

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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2005, 04:10:31 AM »
I love longspring for the sole fact that they are so much easier to set with my gauntlets on.

I can't set coils without the aid of one of my feet and that makes for a tough go sometimes in the stream.

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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2005, 06:22:01 AM »
I'm a Long spring guy myself, same reasons as given above.
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2005, 06:40:14 PM »
I think double longsprings are easier to bed than coilsprings.I'm a coilspring guy.I believe they are faster and cut cover better.
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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2005, 03:08:19 AM »
I use #2, #11, #1, and #1 stoploss on my traplines. I have modified my #2 dls with posi-trip pans and use them for fox as we have to have a  pan tension device on our traps here in NY with a jaw spread over 4". Caught a fox by BOTH front feet in one of those this fall. In fact those posi-trips  on this type and other traps, accounted for three such catches this season so far, a record for me. They bed very solid in the loose soil conditions you find in the woods locations, and aren't affected by freeze down as much as coils are. The only thing is, they require a larger trap bed.  My favorite trap in the water is the old #1 B&L nite-latched stoploss, which is unfortunately, only available used . Don't like the Victor stoploss as much, have a few in #1 and #11/2 size. Have just ordered some of the stoploss Dukes from Bogmaster to add to my supply. They seem to be a winner , much like the old B&L's. I like the #11 dls for coon and just took a mink in one the other day in a dry set originally intended for coon. Also took a red fox in one a couple of weeks ago. Tough little trap. The #1 single longsprings I have include some double jaw #21 diamond brand a friend gave me, that I  added an auxcilary spring to and moved the chain to the frame side of the trap. Work good in the water for coon, rats and mink. Also  have assortment of #1's in reserve that I picked up over the years. Six of them are the traps I started with 35 years ago now. They are #1 Herters brand and I caught my first mink in those. I know how long ago that was because Herters used to have the date of production stamped on those traps, Mine say 1969 on the bottom of the frame. How the time flys!

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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2005, 01:12:15 PM »
I am of the opinion that the long spring comes through the snow better and do not freeze down as easy That being said I have a variety of traps on my line everything from #1 jumps 1 1/2 coils- 3 & 4 LS & #9s. AN interesting not e is that the number one wolf trap used in Alaska today is a coilspring go figure that one out of course them suckers are huge

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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2005, 12:47:14 PM »
I use both models on my line, depending on a lot of factors. I use a lot of #11s for coons. For coyotes, fox, and cats, I use both #2 longs and #2 coils, plus some 1.75 coils, too. I think that they each have big plus and minuses that have to be considered when setting them. By design, longs have a mechanical advantage in how the springs lock up on the jaws. But, a stout springed coil will hold just as tenaciously. Most of my longs have adjustable pans on them, a big advantage over longs with crimp on pans that only free-fall. You can whack them on the frame sides a bit to take some of the wobble out, but you can't do much to add resistance in how they trip, unless you put something under them to stiffen up the throw.
But, for pussy-footing cats, sometimes the free-falling pan isn't such a bad thing to possess, either. I've caught several mink in dryland sets guarded with longs that had free-falling pans, too. Mink sometimes show up in odd places. A stiff pan might have kept me from the incidental mink catches, so go figure.
I'd love to have some top of the line new traps, but I won't pay that much to retool my entire shed, so I make do with what I have. I know what the limits are, how each will perform for me for a given species, location, etc., and run with it. There are a lot of arguments over 1.5 coils vs. #11s for coons. I've caught a lot of coons in modified #1s, too.
moved the chain opposite the single spring, etc. The pan has no resistance whatsover, and you get some toe catches unfortunately. I swivel the heck out of them and run short chains, and they hold a lot of coon for me. Why go through all that hassle modifying a bunch of #1s for coon vs. buying more #11s or 1.5 coils? Money mostly, and I love to tinker and make what I own work.

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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2005, 04:07:37 PM »
I use both types of traps, but prefer the #3 dls for coyote trapping. I like big dirt patterns to add eye appeal to the set just in case I'm a little off location so having to make a larger trap bed doesn't concern me. I modifiy all of my #3's and take out a lot of the pan wobble by cutting about an 1/8 of an inch out of the pans eye and closing it until a get some resistance. I also night latch the pan so it increases the pan tension a little more. The majority of my #3's are set up on long, welded link chains with 4 or 5 swivels and 2 prong drags. I weld an off set on most for coyotes, but have found that the off set traps aren't to good on the smaller fox. If I had to carry everything any great distance from my car I would most likely grab a few coils, but will always have a couple #3dls close to hand. Worm
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