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Amendment II: Right to Bear Arms
« on: December 07, 2005, 04:11:48 AM »
Amendment II: Right to Bear Arms

by TOM MONCURE

The Second Amendment: Citizens really are 'an army of one.'

SANFORD LEVINSON, a distin- guished constitutional law pro- fessor, wrote in the Yale Law Journal that the Second Amendment suffers from a lack of serious scholarship. Few law students envision the Second Amendment as an area of lucrative practice upon graduation. His article, "The Embarrassing Second Amendment," sent a shock wave through academia by suggesting that the amendment might actually mean what it says.

Issues involving guns have taken center stage in the cultural divide that separates Red and Blue America. Gun-control advocates point to the militia clause of the Second Amendment, arguing that it warrants a collective, rather than an individual, right to keep and bear arms. However, history--buttressed by the Founders' clear understanding--dictates that the amendment guarantees this right to individual Americans.

The U.S. Supreme Court has not dealt directly with the Second Amendment since 1939. Then, United States v. Miller held that a sawed-off shotgun was subject to registration because there was no evidence before the court that it had a military use. This opinion suggests that any demonstrably military weapon should enjoy the protection of the Second Amendment. The Supreme Court has conjured rights from the Constitution that do not exist in the text--while disparaging those rights contained in the document itself--leaving both sides of the gun debate cause for concern in any future rulings.

Oblique references in subsequent cases lend credibility to an individual-rights interpretation. The late Chief Justice William Rehnquist noted in a 1990 case, United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez, that the use of "the people" in the Bill of Rights was used not to avoid an "awkward rhetorical redundancy," but rather was chosen as a "term of art employed in select parts of the Constitution." He noted that the use of "the people" in the First, Second, Fourth, Ninth and 10th Amendments was within the context of protecting that class of persons who are part of the national community.

A guns-and-ammo mandate
When adopted by the states, the Second Amendment generated no controversy. State and federal militia laws required citizens to keep arms and ammunition in their homes. These statutes specified everything from the number of cartridges to the amount of gunpowder that Americans were to keep on hand. Arms and accouterment for militia service were exempted from levy for indebtedness, and failure to have the proper equipment could draw fines.

The greater concern, as articulated by the great orator Patrick Henry, was how to provide guns to those who could not afford them. The bearing of arms was both a right and responsibility of citizenship, with arms being legally denied to those who were not citizens.

The militia--Richard Henry Lee, who put forth the motion to write the Declaration of Independence, described it as "the people themselves"--stood in marked contrast to the hated standing army. Equally despised was a "select militia" that excluded general citizen participation.

The very idea that citizens might be barred from militia membership was itself an indication of tyranny. To the Founders, a "well regulated" militia was capable of being directed in proper military order, serving those functions otherwise performed by a regular army.

The original purpose of the entire Bill of Rights was to prevent federal intrusion into the fundamental liberties of the people. The collective-rights interpretation contends that the militia clause limits the scope of the right to keep and bear arms, guaranteeing only that states can maintain a National Guard. The flaw of this interpretation is clear in the language of the Second Amendment, which secures the rights of the "people," and not the "states," to keep and bear arms.

The right to be armed for personal protection is well recognized by common law and preserved under the Ninth Amendment. The English Bill of Rights had guaranteed--in 1689, only to Protestants--arms for defense of self. William Blackstone wrote in his influential Commentaries that "Self-defense is justly called the primary law of nature so it is not, neither can it be, in fact, taken away by the law of society."

Defend thyself
The U.S. Supreme Court reiterated, in the 2005 case of Castle Rock v. Gonzales, that government cannot be held liable for failure to protect the lives of its citizens. Personal self-defense remains an individual responsibility.

The Second Amendment serves two higher callings.

On a practical level, armed citizens provided the ultimate security against enemies and tyrants, without the cost of paid government forces.

On a philosophical level, the Founders knew that our ultimate success depended on the character of the people. George Mason wrote in the Virginia Declaration of Rights that "no free government, nor the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people, but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality and virtue."

Much is assured us by the Bill of Rights--but much is also expected of us.

The ideal citizen was self-determinative and self-reliant, while consciously dedicated to the common good. A willingness to defend self and country, with privately owned arms, was the crucial indicator of character. Citizens possessed of both power and virtue were necessary to continue a republican form of government. Indeed, the American paragon is the Minuteman, typically represented as a yeoman farmer, who goes back to the plow when his martial duty is done.

The Second Amendment guarantees our sacred rights, but also reminds us of our solemn responsibilities. Benjamin Franklin observed that "those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty or Safety."

The Founders meant what they wrote--even if, as professor Levinson indicated, some today may find it "embarrassing."

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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2005, 04:32:59 AM »
Well said and nice post. But the problem lies with the fact that we gun owners will never ever be able to reason with the gun controling left. They turn a deaf ear to logic and and common sense. Their entire platform and agenda is based on what feels good, whats good for you, and whatever rights they think need to be stripped from you.

You can argue points like sport gun shooting is statisticly proven to be the safest of all recreational pastimes. But as I said, they arent buying into facts that interfere with their agenda.

This will never change....

I honest to GOD do not undersatnd how these leftists continue to keep getting elected. Oh yeah, NY and Kalifornia...

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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2005, 02:06:11 PM »
Some good reading there.
To be honest, I never cared much what the constitutional scholars had to say, and never needed any "experts" to tell me what Jefferson, Madison, Mason, ect., ect., meant. There are plenty of documents out there where these men explained what they meant rather well...well enough for anyone in grade school to understand. When I read their writings, it all adds up to one thing for me. The Second Amendment doesn't give us the right to own guns, it just says we ALREADY had that right, and Government can not infringe upon it...without a good fight.
We will never be able to convince some people of anything, they want our guns for sure...but we doing well. There are many more States now that let the good people carry, I'm thinking close to 40?

In the end, it all boils down to powder and bullets. The same way it began.

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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2005, 02:33:03 PM »
Yes, but isn't the significant part of understanding that no government has the authority to "let" us do anything?

We have the right to do it, we have always had the right, and we will always have the right, regardless of what government or our fellow man might have to say about it.

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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2005, 09:57:09 PM »
Let's not pretend that the Republicans are on our side, or that the neo-conservatives are on the "right." The GOP has a majority in all three houses, and so could pass a federal law TOMORROW guaranteeing everyone the right to bear arms in a concealed manner without any permit; however they don't.
Remember, it was the Republican Party which waged the Civil War on the grounds that the federal government was supreme over the states-- and that likewise the states were in turn supreme over the individual, and can regulate their rights away.

My state's constitution states that "every person shall have the right to keep and bear arms, for defense of self or the state."
However in spite of this, a state statute exists which states that you need a permit to purchase OR carry a handgun-- while you can't carry a loaded long-gun without a license either (which is impractical for self-defense anyway).

So it seems that even this specific Constitutional prohibition of infringement of bearing arms, can be destroyed by simple legislation.
I suppose you could hire a lawyer and challenge the law- but it would be just overruled by the court on blah-biddy-blah reasoning, since they hold all the cards.
The purpose of government is no longer to secure the rights of the individual, since we live under a statist regime; now it's to expand the power of the state, period.