Author Topic: Private land confrontation (Read 2159 times)

NONYA · « **Reply #30 on:** November 27, 2005, 10:25:58 PM »

I fill my freezers(plural) with deer.elk,antelope and walleye every year.The meat I put away is important to me in many ways,most of all is the amount of money i save buy having a years worth of food in storage.The price of filling the freezer goes up every year but so does the price of the meat i would have to buy otherwise so it all works out the same.I would pay twice as much if I had to because i enjoy the hunting,the harvest and being self sufficent.I have been hunting more and more public lands over the years due to out of state buyers closing down ranches around here and I have found some great hunting areas that I never hunted before.I have found that if you are willing to put in some hard work and get away from the trails and roads public land hunting can be as good or better than private land.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #31 on:** November 27, 2005, 10:48:17 PM »

Quote from: NONYA

I fill my freezers(plural) with deer.elk,antelope and walleye every year.The meat I put away is important to me in many ways,most of all is the amount of money i save buy having a years worth of food in storage.The price of filling the freezer goes up every year but so does the price of the meat i would have to buy otherwise so it all works out the same.I would pay twice as much if I had to because i enjoy the hunting,the harvest and being self sufficent.I have been hunting more and more public lands over the years due to out of state buyers closing down ranches around here and I have found some great hunting areas that I never hunted before.I have found that if you are willing to put in some hard work and get away from the trails and roads public land hunting can be as good or better than private land.

I hunt because I love to hunt. I don't fool myself into thinking that I am saving money on my grocery bill. With the amount I spend on hunting and hunting accessories, I could eat Lobster everyday. :-D :-D Sure to he meat is a plus, but I have never saved any money.

NONYA · « **Reply #32 on:** November 28, 2005, 12:43:20 AM »

I probably spent 3-$400 on tags ,fuel,reloading ect ect.Try to buy an elk,4 mule deer does,a whitetail doe,a mule deer buck,several meals of assorted grouse and 3 antelope for $400 dollars,probably cost ya $4000 to buy that much wild meat from a vendor,there is no doubt I save money every year.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #33 on:** November 29, 2005, 05:03:39 AM »

Quote from: Gregory

Quote from: NONYA
The fact is that you dont own the land so you shouldnt be handling this kind of situation,turn it over to the land owner and respect his decision.

As I've stated before:

2. The landowner of the land I hunt has told me to tell people who trespass that they are not welcome. This permission was made after my treestand was destroyed.

Gregory...first off...get his permission to run off tresspassers in writting...or don't do it..it will save you a-lot of grief when it comes time to call the LEO's into it...Secondly..talk with your landowner about posting and fencing the property line..if this is your only place to hunt..putting up a good fence will eliminate a-lot of would-be tresspassing...Look into buying a good trail camera ..make it well secured and hidden appropriatly...A picture is worth a thousand words as they say and is usually enough proof to have someone busted for tresspassing or destruction of private property or theft..

Mac

Land_Owner · « **Reply #34 on:** November 29, 2005, 10:16:24 AM »

Mac11700 - good idea, but wouldn't a Trail Camera tend to disappear (meaning get taken or broken) following the noise of it's shutter and/or flash going off in close proximity to a trespasser? Two legged deer are extremely bashful about having their picture taken and would probably go to great lengths to remove the "offending" evidence. Intense camouflage and no measure of security is sufficient protection against a motivated offender.

ShadowMover · « **Reply #35 on:** November 29, 2005, 02:11:44 PM »

There are many good points being made here. As to the tree camera, if you get a digital one, there will be no noise.

swiftman · « **Reply #36 on:** November 30, 2005, 06:06:47 AM »

A lot of the so called hunting on TV would not be legal here in Ill. You can not bait or feed deer. You can not even put out corn for bird and squirrels unless it is elavaited and with 100 ft of occupide dwelling so deer can't get to it.
Alot of what I see on TV is not hunting it is just shooting.[/list][/quote]

swiftman · « **Reply #37 on:** November 30, 2005, 06:21:20 AM »

I would not run anyone of land I did not own. You never know when the LO may change his mind about you doing it and maybe even someone he gave perrmision to or even relaited to. This is an excellent way to lose your hunting rites on this property. As far as getting your stands destroyed either make it so they can't get to by taking lower steps out with you or use aclimbing stand that goes with you every time.
You should never get in shouting macthe with next door land owner because as you have found out it will cost you in the long run. This guy could be or become buddies with your land owner and you would be on the outs.

WylieKy · « **Reply #38 on:** November 30, 2005, 08:45:44 AM »

I think that unless the land owner has told you otherwise, run em off. YOU scouted the area, YOU have permission to hunt there, and YOU did the right thing. Diplomacy is great, but "Walk softly and carry a big stick." Did you remind the kids father that this confrontation occurred on "your" side of the fence and his son was trespassing. I would never be nasty with someone I found on my land....the first time. After that the law would be involved, and they would get a personal escort off my property, or lease, or buddys land or what have you. This is of course pending what kind of trespassing laws your area has.

Quote from: swiftman

A lot of the so called hunting on TV would not be legal here in Ill. You can not bait or feed deer. You can not even put out corn for bird and squirrels unless it is elavaited and with 100 ft of occupide dwelling so deer can't get to it.
Alot of what I see on TV is not hunting it is just shooting.[/list]

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This comment amuses me. I guess you chase the deer naked through the woods, then choke the life out of them with your bear hands. Bottom line 99.99999% of the human race is physically inferior to deer, and we use are intelligence and tool making to even the score. Everyone wants to think their way is the best, Traditional archery hunters look down on those that use modern bow. Bow hunters look down on gun hunters. Black powder hunter feel superior to HP rifle hunters, etc..... We use our God given gift of intelligence to make us superior to deer. If you limit yourself above and beyond what local law requires...congratulations. I'll bet the 2 does I have shot off of my food plot with a rifle taste just as good as the one I shot under an oak tree with a BP. I can respect how you choose to hunt, but if I have the time, money, and inclination, why not improve my chances of harvesting a deer to the maximum possible? Good luck with the rest of you season.

NONYA · « **Reply #39 on:** November 30, 2005, 09:56:51 AM »

Its a matter of what each person feels is sporting,with all the advantages i already have(high powered rifle,optics,ect.) why the hell would i want to bait an animal within rifle range?Where is the hunt in that,there is none its all preperation and then shooting.A hunt involves persuing an animal in its enviroment and making a kill,not changing the enviroment with bait to bring them to you.To each his own but I think most people who shoot thier game in this manner have never experienced any other kind of hunting and Ill bet most of them would prefer to chase rather than bait once they had a chance to try it.I use a decoy for archery antelope and waterfowl hunting,this year i shot my antelope buck without a decoy using S&S and it was the most enjoyable antelope hunt I have ever had,I hate sitting in one place waiting for the antelope to move,it bores the hell out of me but the sad truth is that if you hunt antelope with a bow its your best chance to get a shot.Some peole live in areas wher the cover is so thick that they cant S&S,they have very little choice,but these "hunting" shows where they sit in a shooting house over a big field in Texas ect. make me sick,that is NOT hunting.

WylieKy · « **Reply #40 on:** December 01, 2005, 03:12:37 AM »

I understand the frustration of watching a man on a $5000.00 a week hunt walk into a field he has never seen before in his life, and shoot a 160 class buck. All the while he narrates the entire thing without even a tremor in his voice. I think there is a big difference between that and my clearing a half acre of land and planting some clover to hunt over. I have several stands up, only two over the food plot (depends on wind direction.) I will admit I have never had the chance to learn good stalking skills, I never had anyone to teach me, and until last year I hunted 10 acres. I have great respect for someone that can stalk within bow range or even rifle range of a deer. There is no question that that is harder than sitting in a stand over a food plot. I must say, however, that the joy I get out of sitting in a treestand, watching squirrels, turkey, etc....borders on being boundless. And about hunting shows, even though I dislike what I see in a lot of them, they are helping to bring new interest in our sport, which had been on the decline for years. Some people are upset about this because they are losing some of their hunting spots to "foreigners." Remember that in the long run this is a numbers game, in order for my children and grandchildren to have the chance to enjoy what I love, we have to keep enough voters on our side to keep PETA out of office.

Oh yeah, trespassers suck.

WylieKy

swiftman · « **Reply #41 on:** December 11, 2005, 03:18:29 PM »

I never said anything about you style of hunting I just said alot of what I see on TV is not. I use tree stands over looking crop fields or runs back from them, but I and you I assume are not dumping buck grub on the ground underneith it for weeks or days ahead of hunting there.
It also make me sick to watch these guys get up and pound their chest and yell like they are tarzan after they kill something. They just killed one of Gods creitures and they can't give it back. They should have a little respect for the animal that is going to fill their freezer and or go on their wall.
If the only reason they are there is to inflat thier ego then they shouldn't be there at all.
I grew up on a farm and saw life and death quit often and I know it is something that only God can give andsomething you can only take.
These are just my opinions and may not be your and I am not going to fight you over them.
I will back your right to hunt over a food plot , they may decide to not show up because of wind or weather or eat acorns back in the woods who knows. If they do show up and you get one you put in the effort and time to plant food and decide where to hang your stand or blind and put the time sitting there watching all of gods widelife till you see what you are there to take. Also there is no corn or feed strung out on the ground or hidden behind a log so the camera can't see it like I see on TV sometimes.

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #42 on:** December 12, 2005, 06:03:15 PM »

I dunno if I'll be de-railing the train of thoughts but here's my experiences with private land.

I own 10 acres of land that borders 60 or so that I have permission to hunt on. We do not let anybody else hunt our land, but others hunt out in the large parcel. Our land was not posted when I saw a trail of footprints going through my hunting area on my side of the woods. The guy who "trespassed" on our side eventually went over to the large parcel. It could have been a mistake, or just an arrogant hunter who didn't care. Either way, if he had been confronted on my land, I would have definetely kicked him out, no questions asked. Now if he was on the large tract of land that has other hunters, I'd have to ask him a few questions. "Do you have permission to hunt on this land?", "Who owns this land?", etc but the land owner of the large tract rarely cares what goes on in his fields/woods so I don't think it would do good to follow up on a trespasser. But if you have to confront someone in the woods, ya need to be calm even if they're not. Especially after the Wisconsin tradgedy, but that's why I carry a gun too :grin:. Now our land is posted, so now any trespass is definite call of authorities, state police or game warden.

A question Gregory...is your land POSTED? Did these gentlemen trespass even with the posted signs up? According to what I've read so far, they're just sons of the other landowner and while you didn't give them permission, they're on your land anyway. That is inexcusable, but even moreso with posted signs. This goes to all private landowners. Even if your land is private property and even though nowadays hunters are taught not just to tromp on land just because it's not posted, if your lands not posted, it's like a free lunch to a lot of road hunters and out-of-towners. Post your land so that if you do find a trespasser, you have a case. Greg, either way this is a terrible loss of good hunting land, but trust me, I'm sure there's plenty of other acreage around. If the guy was enough of a jerk not to understand your side of the story, you certainly wouldn't wanna hunt on his land.

But I've said my say...hope it helped.

NONYA · « **Reply #43 on:** December 13, 2005, 10:06:19 AM »

Here in MT it is still trespassng even when the land isnt posted,is it different where you live?

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #44 on:** December 13, 2005, 12:42:12 PM »

Trespassing is still trespassing in Pennsylvania, regardless if there are posted signs or not. It's just that a trespasser anywhere could argue that he wasn't trespassing (or intentionally doing so) because the land wasn't marked (either with posted signs or other markings). So, just be safe than sorry :eek:

NONYA · « **Reply #45 on:** December 13, 2005, 02:21:21 PM »

it used to be that way here,if the land wasnt posted you couldnt press tresspasing on anyone.

Leverdude · « **Reply #46 on:** December 13, 2005, 02:26:49 PM »

In NY, Vermont & New Hampshire its legal to hunt if the lands not posted. Still good practice to ask & something I almost always do. I own a piece of land in northern NH. Theres farms across the road I have permision to hunt on but behind my land theres thousands of acres of mountains & woods that, while private property are open top the public for outdoor recreation, hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, almost anything. They have a big taxbreak if you leave it open for outdoor rec. Current use they call it & mines listed as such. Not many people up there tho, I'v not yet come across another hunter in the mountains, most folks hunt the farms. IN CT you get a permission slip online & get the landowners signiture before you can hunt. A fellow doesn't have a consent form he's got trouble if a warden shows up, doesn't matter if the owner said he could unless he's got the slip. Seems a good way to go & eliminates any confusion.
If I caught someone on a place I knew I was the only one permitted on I'd tell them they were trespassing & tell the landowner. If he didn't back me up I'd find another spot.

Gregory · « **Reply #47 on:** December 13, 2005, 02:44:45 PM »

Quote from: JPSaxMan

A question Gregory...is your land POSTED? Did these gentlemen trespass even with the posted signs up? According to what I've read so far, they're just sons of the other landowner and while you didn't give them permission, they're on your land anyway. That is inexcusable, but even moreso with posted signs.

The land I hunt is not posted, but the landowner told me that I can post it (on his behalf) if if I wish. Here in Illinois, you are trespassing whether the land is posted or not.