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« on: November 21, 2005, 09:47:21 AM »
Hey guys!!

I'll be trapping for 3 weeks in january and filling my otter tag is priority #1 for that time.

I've got a decent understanding of otter from books, but I'll be making sets in trout streams where we have seen otter sign the past few winters (slides in the snow, toilets, etc.). None of my books really focus on winter trapping or stream trapping, they're all open water.

So my question is what type of sets can I make in streams that will take otter?

FYI - I have 8 330's and 2 CDR's that I plan on setting.

Also I only cn catch 1 and I have access to alot of streams, so should I set a few here and there or gang set 1 stream?

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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2005, 11:56:26 AM »
Keith,look for the pinch points on your creeks,The narrow spots on creeks are always hot spots.If you have spots that become real narrow,set these up with a 330.Also any spots where logs are laying across the creek,deserve a 330.You can narrow these dive spots down a bit also.Any little areas--feeder creek,runnuing into another,deservs a trap.Toilet areas should also be set up.I never specifically set for otter,as we are allowed only 4 above hiway 94,and none below that line.
 I already have 1 from a castor mound,and my buddy and I had to release one,that was in the closed area.Want some fun?Release a very large otter ,caught by the front foot in a #1 coil,with 10 feet of cable on it,sure wish we had a video of it.
 Normally I would say gang set an area,but with a limit of 1,I would concentrate on the beaver,and throw in an otter set here and there.
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2005, 01:31:48 PM »
Thanks Tom!!

The only thing that sucks is there isn't any beaver sign in any of the creeks that I'll be trapping. So its kind of a waste in the fact that if I don't catch an otter I probably won't be catching anything.

Now with that said there is the lake that we trapped beaver throught the ice last year and I know there are otter there because we saw 2 out there one afternoon. But I have no idea how to trap otter through the ice, or even if they stay there under the ice.

Do they? Or do they stick to open water?

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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2005, 05:26:25 AM »
Keith,are there any open water spots on the lake??If you have to set up on the creeks,pop in some mink and coon sets also.Might as well diverisify a bit.
 Otter do run under the ice,bottom edge sets will work on the beaver and otter as well as mink.
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2005, 06:54:51 AM »
There weren't any open water spots last year. You could see where the otter pushed up through the ice to get out in like 4 or 5 spots around the lake, but once those holes froze solid I'm sure they just moved on.

I'll see what I can do with the bottom edge set, kinda wanted to try it anyway.

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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2005, 03:29:11 PM »
Tbar, trapping otter under the ice can be very productive once you figure it out.  Otter travel for miles under the ice and there travel areas are limited due to the ice.  As long as there is food the otter will be there.  If there isnt any sign it doesnt mean they are not there it just means they are not coming out on top.  I have caught many otter without any sign but I know when they come through they will have to swim through a certain area.

The best advice I have is to get on the ice and start walking and lookng for areas you think the otter will have to swim under the ice.  Any old beaver run that doesnt just lead up to the bank will be good, entrances to old and new beaver houses will produce also, any narrow spot in the stream, just any old place you think he will have to swim to get to point a to point b.  

I will try to post some pics of some of my prime under ice otter locations later.

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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2005, 04:18:28 PM »
That would be awesome to see some pics. One of our streams is totally iced over already, and we found some otter slides this weekend, so we'll definately have to go under ice for them there.

So you're saying put a 330 in the narrow spot under the ice and we might take an otter?

There are some perfect 330 wide spots of the stream too, can't wait to set some traps in a few weeks.

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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2005, 04:29:34 AM »
Alright lets try this. Here is the area that we will be trapping, its all public land so no worries about that. The two circled spots are places that I have seen otter sign in the past and they are also spots with the easiest access.

Are there any spots that jump out at you that I should definately set some traps in?


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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2005, 05:23:06 AM »
If you need trapping supplies---call ,E-mail , or PM me . Home of Tom Olson's Mound Master Beaver Lures  ,Blackies Blend--lures and baits.Snare supplies,Dye ,dip,wax,Large assortment of gloves and Choppers-at very good prices.Hardware,snares,cable restraints and more!Give me a call(651) 436-2539
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2005, 05:26:58 AM »
It appears,that you have feeder streams connecting to another stream at both places.Am I right? If you do,these spots should be good.
 Also where the streams run out of the lakes should be excellent.
 Tom
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2005, 05:28:38 AM »
It appears,that you have feeder streams connecting to another stream at both places.Am I right? If you do,these spots should be good.
 Also where the streams run out of the lakes should be excellent.
 Tom
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2005, 05:56:50 PM »


Here is a killer under ice location.  Small river that makes a horseshoe.  Right behind my chisel is a channel that cuts across the bank.  Little bit wider than a 330.  Give a spot like this a week to two weeks in good otter habitat and I gurantee success.

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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2005, 09:35:48 PM »
Quote from: T-Bar
Hey guys!!

I'll be trapping for 3 weeks in january and filling my otter tag is priority #1 for that time.

I've got a decent understanding of otter from books, but I'll be making sets in trout streams where we have seen otter sign the past few winters (slides in the snow, toilets, etc.). None of my books really focus on winter trapping or stream trapping, they're all open water.

So my question is what type of sets can I make in streams that will take otter?

FYI - I have 8 330's and 2 CDR's that I plan on setting.

Also I only cn catch 1 and I have access to alot of streams, so should I set a few here and there or gang set 1 stream?



 Hi,

Here's an idea for trapping otter, goes into detail for icy conditions,  I got from an e-book on trapping I bought.

 You can see the e-book I'm quoting from here:

http://self-teaching.com/trapping/

Its a bloody good book. I've even figured how to use one of the traps in it to catch kangaroos with  (I'm an Aussy so we don't get much ice ;)
I'll just post a bit here I thought was good about otter in icy conditions:

"...In the winter when the snow is on the ground, the otter navigates by sliding, and when on the ice he may often be seen to run a few steps and then throw himself on his belly and slide the distance of several feet. They are very fond of playing in the snow, and make most glorious use of any steep snow-covered bank, sloping toward the river. Ascending to the top of such an incline they throw themselves on the slippery surface and thus slide swiftly into the water. This pastime is often continued for hours, and is taken advantage of in trapping the playful creatures. A short search will reveal the place where they crawl from the water on to the bank, and at this spot, which will generally be shallow, a steel trap should be set on the bed of the river, about four inches under water. The trap should be secured by a stout chain, the latter being ringed to a sliding pole which will lead the animal when caught into deep water. If deep water is not near at hand, the spring pole may be used, the object of either being to prevent the animal from gnawing off its leg and thus making its escape.
The trap may also be placed at the top or the slide, two or three feet back of the slope, a place being hollowed out to receive it and the whole covered with snow. To make success more certain a log may be laid on each side of the trap, thus forming an avenue in which the animal will be sure to run before throwing itself on the slope. Care should be taken to handle nothing with the bare hands, as the otter is very keen scented and shy. Anoint the trap with a few drops of fish oil or otter musk. If none of these are handy, ordinary musk will answer very well.

The trap may also be set and weighted with a heavy stone and chain, as described for trapping the beaver. Another method still is to find some log in the stream having one end projecting above water. Sprinkle some musk on this projecting end and set the trap on the log in three or four inches of water, securing it firmly by a chain, also beneath the water.

A rock which projects over the stream may also be utilized in the same way as seen in the page title at the opening of this section. Smear the musk on the edge which juts into the water, and secure the trap by the chain as before. When the animal is caught he will fall or jump into the water, and the weight of the trap and chain will sink him. In every case it is necessary to obliterate every sign of human presence by throwing water over every foot print, and over everything with which the naked hands have come in contact. Where the traps are thus set in the water it should be done while wading or in a boat. In the winter when the ponds and rivers are frozen over the otters make holes through the ice at which they come up to devour their prey. Where the water is a foot deep beneath any of these holes the trap may be set in the bottom, the chain being secured to a heavy stone. When the otter endeavors to emerge from the hole he will press his foot on the trap and will thus be caught. If the water is deep beneath the hole the trap may be baited with a small fish attached to the pan, and then carefully lowered with its chain and stone to the bottom. For this purpose the Newhouse, No. 3, is best adapted, as the otter is in this case caught by the head.

The beaten track of the animal may often be discovered in the snow in the winter time, and a trap carefully sunk in such a furrow and covered so as to resemble its surroundings, will be likely to secure the first otter that endeavors to pass over it. A trap set at the mouth of the otter's burrow and carefully covered is also often successful, using the sliding pole to lead him into deep water.

Every trapper has his pet theories and methods of trapping all the different animals, and the otter has its full share. We have given several of the best methods; and anyone of them will secure the desired result of capture, and all of them have stood the test of time and experience.
The skin of the otter should be removed whole, and the operation may be performed in the following manner: Slit down the hind legs to the vent; cut the skin loose around the vent, and slit up the entire length of the tail, freeing it from the bone. With the aid of the knife the skin should now be peeled off, drawing it backward and carefully cutting around the mouth and eyes before taking it from the head.

With the fur thus inside, the skin is ready for the stretcher and the tail should be spread out and tacked around the edges.
 
The sliding pole , and the spring pole are real easy to make BTW..I made em myself for a try with Platapuss..can't say it worked cause thats IS illegal here in AU unlike rabbits etc.

Hope this was a bit helpful.;)
Kind regards
Rommel

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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2005, 01:06:30 PM »
couple more good locations



Narrow spot in a creek fenced off to fit a 330.  On these wider spots I have also put in 2 traps side by side and will on occasion catch a double.



Beaver channel coming off the main river to a pond in the back ground killer location.  Daughter on the right is holding an otter from this spot.

I am just getting my line out.  Will have some more pictures in next few days.