Author Topic: A little help please (Read 783 times)

longwinters · « **on:** December 14, 2005, 05:06:50 PM »

Typically I shoot Sierra and Nosler bullets but its going to be a long winter up here so I got a box of Triple Shocks 140 gn .284 for my 7m08 and 280. I know what I've been shooting will do just fine, but I need to experiment a little after all that is part of the joy of reloading.

My problem is that I do not have a Barnes Reloading Guide. Can any of you throw me a couple of crumbs and give me some loads. I understand that I may have to go up 1-2 grains from the typical Barnes X loads.

Thanks, I realize it can be a pain to have to look this stuff up.

Long

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 15, 2005, 04:00:56 AM »

It would help to know what powder you intend to use. There is 22 different powders listed for the 140 gr. Barnes XFB, XBT and solid.

Here is the list of powder they have listed. Pick a couple and I will post the loads from the number 3 manual.

AA2700, XMR4350, RL15, RL19, Varget, BL-C(2), H380, H414, H4350, IMR4895, IMR4320, IMR4064, IMR4350, Norma 202, Norma 204, VIT N140, VIT N150, Win 748 and Win 760.

Graybeard · « **Reply #2 on:** December 15, 2005, 05:30:39 AM »

I was under the impression that the whole idea of the Barnes TS was so you could use load data for standard cup and core bullets with them. Yeah, yeah Barnes guys they are SUPPOSED to foul less and be more accurate.

Patriot_1776 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 15, 2005, 07:28:28 AM »

Graybeard wrote:

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I was under the impression that the whole idea of the Barnes TS was so you could use load data for standard cup and core bullets with them. Yeah, yeah Barnes guys they are SUPPOSED to foul less and be more accurate.

Ohhhh no...Here we go again! He's proddin' the Barnes Fans! :eek: :-D

For the record, you can actually load them up higher than standard cup and core bullets. I found they don't necessarily foul less, but the fouling appears easier to remove, IMO. Sure, they are touted to be more accurate by the company; but doesn't every manufacturer say their bullets are designed to offer better accuracy with less fouling than the competitors? The way I see it, no bullet is guaranteed against any form of fouling. That's the way it goes when you fire a bullet; the copper smears a little, you clean it out. As for better accuracy, it all merely depends on what your gun likes, and how good one is at finding the right load with the bullet used. :grin:

-Patriot

victorcharlie · « **Reply #4 on:** December 15, 2005, 08:11:57 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard

Yeah, yeah Barnes guys they are SUPPOSED to foul less and be more accurate.

Yea.....Supposed to be.........and, at twict to 4 times the price they very well ought to be..........but we both know better, don't we Bill?

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 15, 2005, 09:00:42 AM »

The fouling does not bother me, nothing a little bore cleaner and a brush won't take care of. But it is the accuracy that I am after.

victorcharlie, for a guy that is not a Barnes fan , you sure come to see what is said all the time about the Barnes bullets. Are you a closet Barnes fan?? :-D :-D

Patriot_1776 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 15, 2005, 10:16:16 AM »

Redhawk1,

I've found that the need to use a brush to clean out the pure copper fouling is not necessary. Barnes CR-10 and about 5-10 (if ever that many) wet patches alone, with appropriate time to let the solvent work between fresh or dry swabs, gets it out relatively well in my experience. That was with a semi-busy day out on the range with my 300 Weatherby. The Triple Shocks have proven more than accurate enough for hunting with my Weatherby, and they would be my first choice to use for hunting in any of my rifles. Just have to get around to finding the right loads for them all. That is, whenever I get around to ordering the bullets in the first place, in which case if ever get into actual hunting for that matter.... into a vicious cycle here...:shock:

Currently, most of my time shooting on the range is for tactical practice, and loading rounds for accuracy on paper. But some day...

-Patriot

PA-Joe · « **Reply #7 on:** December 15, 2005, 10:57:12 AM »

I like 39 grains of IMR 4064 CCI primer and 139 grain point in a 7mm08. This is light but good to 250 yards. You can go up to 42 grains.

victorcharlie · « **Reply #8 on:** December 15, 2005, 11:43:34 AM »

Quote from: Redhawk1

victorcharlie, for a guy that is not a Barnes fan , you sure come to see what is said all the time about the Barnes bullets. Are you a closet Barnes fan?? :-D :-D

I think the Barnes bullet has it's place, unfortunately, I don't live anywhere near that place. No doubt, if a fellow needs penetration, the barnes is a great choice. For anything that walks these Tennessee woods, a barnes just isn't necessary.........Now, I will make you a promise Redhawk......If I ever hit the powerball lottery, (I never will because I won't play) I'll shoot barnes bullets!

Don Fischer · « **Reply #9 on:** December 15, 2005, 02:09:59 PM »

Were it me, I'd take my Hornady book, pick a load and back it off 10% to start. Then work your way up watching for pressure signs.

I don't believe that copper fouling is the problem I used to think it was. I bought a Shilen barrel for one of my rifles and went to the Shilen site to see how they recommended breakin and cleaning. They don't worry about copper fouling much. They said, "You can show people small groups or a clean barrel." Also "All the cleaning of copper fouling does little good as one shot re-fouls the barrel anyway."

Every now and then I too get premium bullet fits. Sometimes I actually buy a box but usually the price runs me off. I've used Hornadys and or old Speer Hot Cores for about 35 years. If I chose a cartridge thats reasonable for what I'm hunting and a Hornady ora Speer of proper weight, I've NEVER been left wishing for a different bullet. Same could be said for all bullets. Fooling around is fun but I always go back to Hornadys or Speer Hot Cores.

longwinters · « **Reply #10 on:** December 15, 2005, 02:31:43 PM »

I think my thread has been hijacked. I have read some of your opinions about "premium" bullets on another thread, but thanks for the imput it is nice to know you guys care. By the way I tend to have good luck with Reloader 15 in my 7m08 with Accubonds and Sierras.

Long

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 15, 2005, 04:33:06 PM »

Quote from: longwinters

I think my thread has been hijacked. I have read some of your opinions about "premium" bullets on another thread, but thanks for the imput it is nice to know you guys care. By the way I tend to have good luck with Reloader 15 in my 7m08 with Accubonds and Sierras.

Long

Is Reloader 15 the powder you want load data for?

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 15, 2005, 04:35:44 PM »

If reloader 15 is the powder you wanted I forgot to post the data.

Starting load for the 140 gr. Barnes bullet is 36.5 gr. and Max load is 40.5 gr. of Reloader 15.

If there is any others you want PLMK.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 16, 2005, 01:23:47 AM »

Quote from: victorcharlie

Quote from: Redhawk1

victorcharlie, for a guy that is not a Barnes fan , you sure come to see what is said all the time about the Barnes bullets. Are you a closet Barnes fan?? :-D :-D

I think the Barnes bullet has it's place, unfortunately, I don't live anywhere near that place. No doubt, if a fellow needs penetration, the barnes is a great choice. For anything that walks these Tennessee woods, a barnes just isn't necessary.........Now, I will make you a promise Redhawk......If I ever hit the powerball lottery, (I never will because I won't play) I'll shoot barnes bullets!

victorcharlie, not to start one of them drawn out bullet debates that turn ugly, but if you don't use Barnes bullets and have not used Barnes bullets or ever intend to use Barnes bullets. Why in the world would do you have to comment on them all the time? :? :? It is good you shoot what ever you shoot, but there is not reason to continue to bash the Barnes bullets. This thread was for information on a Barnes bullet not a comparison.

I don't go to the posts that guys ask for load data for certain bullet and then bash the bullets they chose to use. I do how ever go to the ones that ask or want to compare the differences. It is all about people wanting to shoot better and make good choices. You and I can only give our opinions, and it is up to the person asking the question to make an informed decision and should not have to listen to all the other garbage. Now I think we can agree on that.

longwinters · « **Reply #14 on:** December 16, 2005, 06:43:32 PM »

Redhawk,

Thanks for the info. Reloader 15 seems to always end up being my powder of choice for 308 and 7m08. Dont know why but I always seem to have the best accuracy with it.

Long

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 17, 2005, 02:09:37 AM »

Quote from: longwinters

Redhawk,

Thanks for the info. Reloader 15 seems to always end up being my powder of choice for 308 and 7m08. Dont know why but I always seem to have the best accuracy with it.

Long

If you need any further info, let me know. Also sorry for getting off topic.

ricciardelli · « **Reply #16 on:** December 17, 2005, 10:18:45 AM »

First of all, I am not a fan of anything that has "Barnes" printed on the box, but...

.280 Remington:
RL-25 From 55.3 grains to 59.5 grains
Remington 9-1/2 Primer

7mm-08:
W-760 From 37.9 grains to 49.9 grains
Remington 9-1/2 Primer

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 18, 2005, 03:08:27 AM »

Quote from: ricciardelli

First of all, I am not a fan of anything that has "Barnes" printed on the box, but...

.280 Remington:
RL-25 From 55.3 grains to 59.5 grains
Remington 9-1/2 Primer

7mm-08:
W-760 From 37.9 grains to 49.9 grains
Remington 9-1/2 Primer

Who cares if you are a fan or not. He wants information not an attitude about what he wants to shoot. Can't you all comprehend that? :roll:

doncisler · « **Reply #18 on:** January 03, 2006, 04:59:23 PM »

i know his is off topic but you were discussing copper fouling. that really depends on the gun. my benchrest rifles will degrade after 20 or so rounds (open up to 3's) most of my hunting rifles you can't tell the difference in a season (lots of practice) of shooting. even varment rifles can take several hundred rounds before noticable change. only problem is they are really hard to clean when i do (that is what the foul-out system is for i guess)

longwinters · « **Reply #19 on:** January 04, 2006, 12:15:01 PM »

Well, I took out the 7m-08 with the triple shocks and several different powders/loads. Shot 25 of em (plus a few Accubonds for initial site in cuz I put a Zeiss Conquest on it). Ended up shooting .250 groups with H4350. When I got home I used Wipe Out foam cleaner in the barrel to ck for fouling etc..... Had a dirty barrel but no copper fouling at all. Like I said previously, these things are too expensive (for me) to just go out and plink with them, and I dont know as I would even hunt with them for deer. But they do shoot accurate and dont foul in my barrel.

Long