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Offline Sourdough

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« on: January 09, 2006, 02:34:46 PM »
I have been doing a lot of research on balistics, and shooting at long distances.  My favorite bullet has been the Nosler partition for 30 years.  I have seldom used anything else for hunting Deer, Caribou, Moose and Bears.  Have always been satisfied with the results.  Did notice that the bullet retrieved from a Moose shot at 500 yards, did not expand like all the others usually do.  Then remembered that I had the same thing from a Caribou I had shot at 700 yards.  Even thou the Caribou dropped shortly after being hit, the bullet had hit one lung and the heart.  The bullet had not expanded very much at all.  Since we are now practicing at 600, 700, and 800 yards, I am going to switch to the 180gr Ballistic tip from Nosler.

What I really need to do is find a 32" barrel for my 30-06 Handi. Any suggestions for a gunsmith that could do the work?
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2006, 03:59:53 PM »
Sourdough,also check out the hornady SST's...supposedly have good controlled expansion

I shoot them in my 25-06,but i know nothing about how they are with a 30-06 :D
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2006, 04:20:58 PM »
even though i love the sst's and use them all the time i wouldn't use them for what your going to be shoot . now the hornady InterBond is a different story. both bullets will expand but the InterBond will hold together and penetrate a lot deeper and retain a lot more weight then the sst's
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2006, 07:33:00 PM »
500 yards, 700 yards?  Sounds a lot like shots I have heard made in a bar late at night, you are lucky they are dead at all.  Larry
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2006, 03:34:51 AM »
he's not lucky , he's just really freaking good and knows how to shoot, of course he better ( if he misses the bear will eat him)








you may try researching the man a little bit, you'll fall in love with the caricature this guy should write a book
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2006, 05:43:32 AM »
You know Sourdough. Mitchell's correct, it's been quite a while since you have regailed us with a story, sooooooooo, any new, or even old untold stories you can relate to us??? They have all been such enjoyable reading you really should write a book, it might even make you enough money to buy a few more guns. And by the way, if you do decide to write a book I want to buy one, so put the first autographed copy aside for me!!....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2006, 10:31:14 AM »
Thought I might at least give a discription of the two incendents mentioned above.  

The Caribou:  1971 I had just arrived in Alaska and had been sent along with a bunch of hunters (Military VIPs) on a hunting trip up the Steese Highway, for Caribou.  At the time I only owned one gun, a Parker Haile in cal .308.  I had worked up a good load using the Nosler 165gr partition bullet.  After the incident involving the Grizzly, I decided I needed to learn to shoot long distances better.  I knew that shot had been pure luck, with a lot of intervention.  I had slghted my rifle in for 300 yards, and had started shooting at 400 yards regulerly.  Occasionally I would try a 500, 600, or 700 yard shot just for the heck of it.  The guys that ran the range kept a gong set up at 1000 yards, and everyone would take their last shot at it before leaving the range.  And sometimes someone would hit it.  Anyway, on the hunt one of the VIPs not knowing the differance shot a reguler size Caribou.  The Caribou had been running when he shot, so he had hit it too far back.  It got into a draw and disappeared.  The shooter and his partner ran down the draw expecting to intercept it.  I walked up the hill.  After walking a couple of hundred yards up the slope I saw the Caribou come out and run across the tundra.  The Caribou stopped out there on the flat tundra a long ways out.  I sat down on the ground between two large tussocks of grass.  I placed my rifle across one using it as a rest.  I guessed about the distance and for the hold over.  I took the shot and saw water fly in a pond just over the animals back.  That gave me a referance point to lower my point of aim.  I took my second shot an the caribou started to run.  Then I heard a solid "whack"  and after five jumps the Caribou dropped.  I'll tell the rest in the Outdoor Experiences Forum.  I'll try and get it in today.  Rog
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2006, 02:02:40 PM »
You didn't say what the caliber was of the gun you were shooting at long range (ie) 500 to 800yds. At that range I doubt you will find any bullet that will expand reliably unless you are shooting one of the 30 caliber magnums. :D
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2006, 04:53:58 PM »
Currently I'm shooting two differant guns.  A Handi-rifle in 30-06, that I currently shoot out to 600 yards for wolves.  And an older Ruger M-77 that is capable of handling higher pressures, without high pressure signs than all the other .338s that I own.   Wolves and Caribou are my main targets.  They live in areas where you can't stalk closer all the time.  

I intend to get really proficient with wolves before I go for Caribou.  Wolves are like shooting a super cayote, about the size of a whitetail doe.
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2006, 02:24:54 AM »
Have you given any thoughts of using tha A-MAX or SCIROCO bullets. They are made for long range shooting with a high ballistic coeffecient which allows them to arrive on target at higher velocities. The SCIROCCO's are pretty pricey but the A-MAX isn't to bad. I'm no expert but it might be worth checking out. :D
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2006, 06:57:10 AM »
Sierra Gameking, 165 or 180 gr.
Supreme long-range accuracy.  Better expansion at lower velocities.  All partitioned, bonded, or premium hard bullets will zip through with little or no expansion at those distances = lower velocities.  Most long range shooters use Sierra.  However you have quite an extreme range for hunting.  Large game, mostly beyond 300 yards, yet could be closer and bigger.  I would go 180 gr. gameking. Good luck and keep posting those stories.  BuzzKill

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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2006, 07:49:04 PM »
Sourdough.
There are very few bullets that will do a job on game at the ranges you suggest.

Here is one I can recommend I used it at long range in a 300 Wby. Shot an Osborn Mountain caribou at about 600+ yards and several moose in the 550 yard range.

200 gr Bitterroot BC .500 MV 2789.
at 650 yrds Vel 1732,  Ftlbs 1332, even at that  energy is pretty skimpy.

I suggest if you want a long barrel like that to get a Ruger#1 action and a custom Krieger barrel. Actions are available from BROWNELL.
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