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Offline stimpylu32

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Quickdtoo--When & Why
« on: January 18, 2006, 04:47:04 AM »
Tim

I was wondering when you started collecting / shooting H&Rs and why you picked them in the first place .

Everybody else is welcome to chime in as well .  :D
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2006, 05:12:34 AM »
Since you invited others I'll respond.  I had been using my TCR for several years as a spare gun for Moose camp.  One year one person got a little rough with my TCR so I decided to get something a little less expensive.  I still wanted something that could be used for shooting grouse going in and then could be used when someone needed a spare gun.  I was in Wal-mart and saw an NEF on the gun rack.  I asked what the biggest caliber they came in was and was told 30-06.  The price was right ($167.00) so I ordered one.  When it came in I sent it back for a 20ga and .223 barrels.  I first put a cheap tasco scope on it and went out to sight it in.  Found it to be as accurate as the TCR, was really surpised.  Started shooting it reguler, and carrying it on the snowmachine.  Fell in love with it's simplicity, ruggedness, and ease of use.  Changed the scope to a Bushnell Elite, it lasted for a couple of years.  Then went to a Shepard scope, loved the rangefinding capability of that scope and it complamented the 30-06 well.  Today I have a .35 Whelen, 45-70, .243, 30-06, Huntsman, and 2-12ga shotguns.  Will be getting another .35 Whelen when they come out.  The shorter barrel will be easier to carry on the handlebars of a snowmachine or 4-wheeler.
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2006, 05:19:44 AM »
The first reason I bought one was the price. Then when I was able to outshoot my buddy who has about 2 grand tied up in his browning with all the bells and whistles , well that was just icing on the cake.
I have all ways been a tinkerer and I have all ways been fairly poor, so the Handi was made for me. I now have a .223 and a 22-250 and I plan on getting several more, when I can scrape up some money.

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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2006, 06:09:37 AM »
My first (3) guns were NEF's..  that was 18 years ago though..  Having only a little money from a summer job put limits on what I could spend.

I decided to keep collecting them because they were in my price range, performed better then what I paid for, and are made here in the USA.  

I've got some NEF/H&R's that shoot as well as some couple thousand dollar bolt or single shot rifles.   But only cost $150-$300.

I just cant see paying Rolls Royce prices for something that a Dodge priced item can do just the same.
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2006, 07:23:19 AM »
My first H&R was a 1920 era 12ga side lever that my dad gave me when I was about 8-10yrs old, it killed a lot of ducks, grouse, rabbits and pheasant in my hands. It was also the first one I ever worked on one, it eventually loosened up and I did a shim job to tighten it up. My Dad killed a turkey with in in '95, so it's still on duty!! Didn't get another until I bought a 20gr Pardner for my son in '91, that's when I was introduced to the barrel program pamplet that came with it, but rifle barrels couldn't be fitted to the SB1 frame, so I was intrigued, but didn't buy a rifle until '04 and I came here. Bought a .223 Ultra Varmint in May '04, then added a .25-06, .243 barrel to that frame and then I was totally hooked and went crazy with adding new frames, barrels and complete rifles to my fast growing collection. When I retired in '02, the only hobbies I had was hunting and fishing, so I decided I wanted more, first thought was guns since I had never really collected a lot of guns over the years, I was kinda a one gun hunter, but had always thought it would be nice to own lots of guns like alot of other gun owners. The NEF/H&R rifles were a natural since I've been hunting with single shot muzzleloaders for many years, the BLR being my only repeater cept for glenfield .22. It didn't take long once I was exposed to Handis to become hopelessly addicted to these fun rifles!! And you sure can't beat their price, if I'd have chosen another brand for my collection, it certainly would have taken a lot longer on my budget!!

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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2006, 11:46:01 AM »
I used to teach hunters safety and I started a number of people into deer and duck hunting - including my daughter, 2 nephews, their friends, and a number of adult buddies.  We hunt in Illinois and Wisconsin - so I needed something safe and affordable in slug guns, bird guns, and CF rifles.  I was always confident in the safety of the transfer bar system and certainly didn't want my kids or friends in a tree with a gun that might discharge if dropped. I used to have those kids do a lot of handling, decocking, etc. with empty guns to develop a comfort level and dexterity with them. Also, I am a firm believer that if you have a single shot, you learn to make it count. You can also change from a youth, to a Monte Carlo, to a regular stock for basically peanuts compared to other rifles. Well, now I have 8 frames and I do not know how many barrels, stocks, forends.  I just can't pass 'em up - they work too well, they shoot too well, they are easy to carry, compact, and most importantly - safe.  NEF/H&R products allowed me to affordably start a lot of people in to hunting.  Of course, seeing how inexpensive it was to add a Huntsman barrel forced me to get a few of those - and a lot of you folks are culprits! When I see how nice some of yours look, or Quick starts showing the Mannlicher forends - you know I just can't resist adding to the collection. :D
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2006, 04:09:35 PM »
hey brother man
My name is "Bill"; everyone who knows me calls me "Chief", spent thirty-six years in the Navy.  I have shot competitively for the Navy in all phases of long gun discipline, my favorite is long range 600~1000 yards.
In that discipline multishot capability is no advantage, if anything it is a disadvantage, since weapon action must be tight to keep overall accuracy.
I have built a single shot weapon just for long range shooting based on that thinking and it does really work.  During my stay on the Navy team I looked at all weapons available over the counter.  I have seen everything from custom Dakotas, TCs, X40Bs, custom one off McMillan stocked weapons, to H/Rs.  I hesitate to call someone's choice of a weapon stupid or dumb; that's really bad manners.  Owning a gun is kinda' like owning a stereo, you just don't tell someone ,"...well so and so whizz bang sucks..."
That's kinda' like telling someone they have ugly kids; guns are very personal property afterall they manifest in a physical way your viewpoint about the world outside.  The H/R is a very elegant rifle in its simplicity; the fit and finish are excellent and I have not hesitated in the least in the past when showing my weapons to selected people.  One should not show their weapons to just anybody, gun owning is a serious thing and gun viewing is likewise serious.  The drop block receiver, today, while being similar to the old receivers of some twenty years ago is as different from  them as day is from night; it has been reengineered and now is capable of taking some intense loadings 25/06, 270Win, and 30/06 being but three examples.  True to the "ad" it closes up tighter than a bank vault.  It is in the area of the trigger that I find that the H/R excels; I have read some of the "postings" on this web about reworking the trigger.  While an admirable exercise I really don't think that that is really necessary.  You can have the best fit, finish, and rifling job but if the trigger is marginal well you've got a marginal weapon.  The H/R trigger is "appx" 3.5 pounds pull; it is clean and crisp which tells me that the sear has been well done, with absolutely no "creep" or staging.  For me, I use the criteria of a 4.5 pound pull TRW trigger for the M1A SuperMatch as a becnh mark; the H/R trigger scores well by the standard.  I have trained with USN Seal Team Six, USAMU, and USMC Scout Sniper school staff at "Q" town and have been made to believe in  and practice "one shot, one kill".  If you cannot bag that trophy buck or dump that "dog" with one shot, well now a second follow up shot won't mean a darned thing, 90% of the time you'll just punch a hole in the air without a clear idea of background and you'll give your position away.  If you anchor a bear with one shot, you will have more than enough time to chamber a second "coups de gras" if you must.  The beauty of a single shot rifle is that if you observe the fundamentals: eye/sight alignment and target picture, learn to breath, shoot when your heart is at rest,  squeeze through on the trigger, use your skeleton to hold the weapon and not your muscles, and good posture the weapon will reward you; it teaches you to discipline yourself.  I have seen Rossi rifles and while they are nice they are not American. H/R is solidly American; they make all of the bolts and receivers for the M-16 assault rifle, that is a measure of their over all quality.  I once shot against a British officer in a match, he remarked that:
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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2006, 07:01:41 PM »
Boy, I sure don't consider my NEFs a "collection"!  I mainly bought them because they shoot pretty well with a minimum expenditure of cash.  Sometimes they take a little to work out the "bugs" so they shoot to their potential, but once the basics, that are posted in the stickies, are gone through, they end up pretty good.

I have my grandfather's old style H&R 12 gauge, but I don't think I got my first NEF until two years ago.  I started with a new .223 synthetic and promptly added a .357 Mag barrel, while they were still available.  I think I've added 4 receivers and 6 barrels since then.

My favorite is still the .357 Mag, but the .22 Hornet, .45-70 and .30-30 aren't far behind it!

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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2006, 12:13:43 PM »
Since you ask....

In '79 I went back to college.  Part of the financing for that included selling my firearms.  When I got out and was back working, I decided it was time to get another rifle.  While I was in the hardware store/gun shop in Pinedale, Wyoming, the proprietor showed me the H&R 158 (?) in a catalog.  It was in .30-30 with 20 ga barrel for $120.  I had been interested in the combo since sitting in the SONAR room of the USS Philip (DD 498) in the early '60s, passing time on watch with the Shooter's Bible.  I had forgotten about it, but now it looked like a great way to get shooting again.

I carried that little rifle for years, sold it after I got an NEF Handi in .30-06.  There should be an emoticon for someone kicking themselves!  However, it had the sticking case problem and grouped about 3" at 100 yards.  I think I could have made it shoot better if I had known the things I have learned about these fine rifles on the Internet.

So there you have it.  

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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2006, 01:36:50 PM »
Be careful what you ask for, you might just get it. :grin:

My first experience with H&R was actually when I was in the Air Force. We had a M-79 grenade launcher that was built by H&R that fired 40mm grenades of all types. High Explosive, Multiple Projectile (buckshot), Smoke, Tear Gas and Practice Grenades (orange talcum powder) to name a few. It was a break open shoulder fired weapon.

I had seen the H&R/NEF singles for years and to be honest I used to look down my nose at them. :oops:  I had autoloading shotguns, bolt rifles and other high dollar guns and seen no need for a "single shot". :roll:

Along came the 1996 NWTF Banquet and they had this 20ga H&R Topper Jr. Classic J.A.K.E.S. youth gun with camo laminate checkered stocks that would be auctioned off. I looked it over and thought it wuld be a nice gift for my sons 10th birthday that year. It started out at about $75 and I bid on it right away. There was one other guy that wanted it for his son also and he stayed with me up to $135 then he quit. I don't know how high I would have went on it but after shooting it, I felt we did very well at the price.

My son would not actually be able to hunt turkeys until he was 12 and the spring of 1999 would be it. The first morning we called in a gaggle of 5 Jakes and after a few exciting minutes one of the jakes seperated from the others and Zach took him down at 22 paces. The next week we packed up and headed for Missouri and we called in two longbeards and 7 jakes, He took the one on the right and I took the one on the left. We had our first double and that H&R was doing a fine job on the gobblers.

My daughter turned 10 in 1999 and I bought her a .410 Pardner. After more experience with these nice little guns I really started to come around. :grin:  The next purchase was a Ultra Varmint .223, then it really snowballed from there. The next 3 came all in one month. A .17hmr Sportster, .50 caliber Stainless Steel Huntsman and a 20ga Ultra Slug Hunter Limited Edition. At that point I really had it "bad" and had to start controlling my urges to get more. I have managed to hold off those urges for going on three years now, but I'm weakening. My other guns mostly sit in the safe anymore and I really, really enjoy these little singles.

I see a 20ga Topper Deluxe Classic in the near future and who knows what else is lurking around the corner. :wink:
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2006, 04:17:08 PM »
Well it's my turn , mine started as a way to feed my reloading habbit . Over the years i have got guns and got rid of guns , but for some reason i just keep the reloading stuff .

I saw the H&R's as a way to shoot all the stuff that i had loaded or just kept loading . The first was a 223 HB for groundhogs , then the 270 to replace a bolt gun i sold when i got married ( had to pay for a honeymoon  :eek:  ) Then came the 30/30 for my son to shoot . then a project for me , the 450 marlin . Do you see a pattern here ?

Now that my daughter is into long guns , the 22 mag , 17 hmr , 20 ga , 12 ga , 410 , 16 ga ( new ) and she wants the 28 ga yet . I do tend to spoil my children .

And the hunt for more goes on .

PS --- Do they have a 12 step program for Handi - holics  :)
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2006, 04:36:03 PM »
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PS --- Do they have a 12 step program for Handi - holics  :)



yes buy 12 barrels take two day brake then start over. repeat until you have all barrels they make.
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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2006, 11:14:28 AM »
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