Author Topic: .52 caliber Knights (Read 606 times)

Critter · « **on:** January 22, 2006, 10:33:30 AM »

Well, fill me in. Everybody makes it sound like it's better than sliced bread or cleavage. I'm going to be looking for a new frontstuffer this spring and this is the only gun I'm interested in that I don't know much about.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 22, 2006, 02:40:04 PM »

Knight is not as popular as they once were. If you take a knight into a gun shop your lucky if you get $100 for it. No kidding!

Critter · « **Reply #2 on:** January 22, 2006, 04:09:55 PM »

Oh I believe you, thats how much I paid for my first one. :grin:

Resale is not a real big concern as long as what I buy shoots. I tend to hang on to my frontstuffers.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 23, 2006, 02:24:25 AM »

Quote from: Critter

Oh I believe you, thats how much I paid for my first one. :grin:

Resale is not a real big concern as long as what I buy shoots. I tend to hang on to my frontstuffers.

Have you considered the Encore or the Omega? Both are very accurate in my opinion. I am working on 200 yard loads for my Encore. Currently a 150 yard shot is very do able and very accurate in my Encore. I have taken several deer at that range.

AndyHass · « **Reply #4 on:** January 23, 2006, 03:05:54 AM »

Knight seems to be a big fan of the old "razor-razor blade" marketing theory. That is, sell the gun at a reasonable price, then make even more money off of you by charging you for proprietary supplies every time you pull the trigger. This is why I have never bought a Knight; I refuse to be locked in by their Disc system.

The .52 is no exception. Where, except from them, will you get the .52 ammo? This is the #1 reason I'd never buy one of these guns. Finding the sabots off-the-shelf would be nearly impossible (I've never seen them, though I can't say I've specifically looked).

There are such options out there for .50 and to a lesser extent .45, so I can't see why a .52 would be an improvement. Depending upon your tastes, I agree an Omega or Encore would be better.

slave · « **Reply #5 on:** January 23, 2006, 08:28:28 AM »

AndyHass,

Is on top of it. Its supply and demand. We demand you buy what we want to supply. I would not want to purchase any thing other than a 50. A 45 or 52 may be the perfect rilfe for one hunter but manufactures have done a good job marketing the 50. The bullet and sabot manufactures have respounded to the gun sales and have produced a lot of 50 cal bullet and sabot options. In a way the focus on the 50cal has improved the quality and performance of both the bullet and sabot. I doubt any serious development effort will be extended to a 52 cal. You would be stuck with a few bullets and very few sabots.

Look at the 45. In theroy (B.C. , efective range, etc) we would all want one. If you ran a poll how many of us use one? Why?

Critter · « **Reply #6 on:** January 24, 2006, 01:44:59 PM »

I was fairly certain I wanted to stick with a .50 but I thought I better find out before I plunk down a bunch of hard earned cash.

Redhawk1,
Encore is at the top of the list right now. When I finish paying for another rifle I'll probably pick one up.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 24, 2006, 04:38:51 PM »

Quote from: Critter

I was fairly certain I wanted to stick with a .50 but I thought I better find out before I plunk down a bunch of hard earned cash.

Redhawk1,
Encore is at the top of the list right now. When I finish paying for another rifle I'll probably pick one up.

I don't think you will be disappointed.

Wolfhound · « **Reply #8 on:** January 26, 2006, 02:09:51 PM »

Dang. Server problems and I haven't gotten here much.

Critter,
I'm a Knight fan but even I will tell you to skip the .52's for the reasons mentioned. You'd have to get in to casting your own bullets if they ever got discontinued. It would mean a custom mold but they can be made.

Quote from: Redhawk1

Knight is not as popular as they once were. If you take a knight into a gun shop your lucky if you get $100 for it. No kidding!

True, Knight isn't as popular as they were but it's not Knight's fault. The company is part of a corperation that is telling them what to make. In other words suits are dictating to the engineers what to make. This is a huge problem and is the reason I believe Knight is on a downhill slide.

Knight was founded by Tony Knight then later was sold to the Watley family in 1990. In 1998 Modern Muzzleloading was sold to Ebsco. http://www.ebsco.com/industries/acquisition.stm Now I'm not sure when the Original Disc Rifle came out but the Super .45 was introduced around 2000. And the 50 version was out at least a couple years before that. I'd almost bet that the Disc was introduced before the company was bought by Ebsco. At that time the Disc rifle was king of the muzzleloaders.

In 2002 the Inline industry changed and the Company was caught with it's pants down. The suits running Knight still don't know what to do. That doesn't mean that Knight makes bad rifles, just ones not popular with the majority of hunters.

Quote from: AndyHass

Knight seems to be a big fan of the old "razor-razor blade" marketing theory. That is, sell the gun at a reasonable price, then make even more money off of you by charging you for proprietary supplies every time you pull the trigger. This is why I have never bought a Knight; I refuse to be locked in by their Disc system.

For hunting the Disc's make sense. They're not too much different than a 25 ACP conversion for the Encore/Omega exept that you can only get them from Knight and the 25 ACP is made by a few companies.

Quote from: slave

Look at the 45. In theroy (B.C. , efective range, etc) we would all want one. If you ran a poll how many of us use one? Why?

Knight mostly discontinued the 45's for 2006 so I'd guess they agree with you. :wink: I just got one myself. 45 Disc Extreme Thumbhole. It's just something else to play with. The .45's are more picky but I like a challenge. :grin: