Author Topic: 35 Whelan for 2006 (Read 1147 times)

jrkrk · « **on:** January 27, 2006, 11:30:44 AM »

Hey guys just received 2006 catalog and they have a handi rifle in 35 whelan for 2006. Anyone familiar with this round or have info on it. :-)

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** January 27, 2006, 11:48:39 AM »

Yup, last word we got by email from Customer Service was it would be available in June or July, but that's always subject to change..

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=76461

The 35 Whelen was offered in the RMEF limited production in 1996, only about 350 were made, it had a 26" barrel vs the 22" version coming out now. Here's more about the caliber...

http://www.chuckhawks.com/35Whelen.htm

http://www.african-hunter.com/35_whelen_in_zim.htm

http://www.reloadammo.com/35whelenload.htm

cheatermk3 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 27, 2006, 12:16:30 PM »

35 Whalen...Wasn't that captain Ahab's favorite caliber??

quickdtoo · « **Reply #3 on:** January 27, 2006, 12:25:51 PM »

Sourdough · « **Reply #4 on:** January 27, 2006, 01:20:53 PM »

I have a Handi in .35 Whelen. It is the only true Big Bame gun that NEF ever made. Yes there is the 45-70, with a trojectory like a rainbow. The .35 Whelen will bring down anything in North Americia out to 250 yards. A lot of non-resident hunters bring them up here every year to hunt Moose and Grizzly with. I've shot Moose with my Handi, did an excellent job. I do have the 26" barrel, but the shorter barrel would be easier to get on the front of a 4-wheeler or snowmachine. Hope they keep the ejectors on them. Extractors aren't worth a darn. If it don't have ejectors I don't want it. It's important when the animal your shooting at has the capability to kill and eat you. You might need a second shot fast.

Fred M · « **Reply #5 on:** January 27, 2006, 03:14:41 PM »

Sourdough.
You and I were out voted on the ejector. So don't hold your breath about getting one on the new Handi's once the mass production is set up for extractors.

I have not seen an extractor but it may be possible to convert one to an ejector, at least that is the way the factory should have designed the new extractor to change few parts to turn it into an ejector as an extra.

myarmor · « **Reply #6 on:** January 27, 2006, 08:04:56 PM »

Good call Fred. An extractor back to an ejector...everyone wins if it's possibile. I'm sure it wouldn't take long to figure out a way to do it.. :wink:
-Aaron

MSP Ret · « **Reply #7 on:** January 28, 2006, 02:46:07 AM »

I'm with you guy's on the ejector for hunting instead of the extractor. I have voiced my opinion on the ejector vs. extractor before, that the extractor may be fine for a benchrest shooter, but for a hunter, where it's cold, or as you say, hunting for something that could hurt you, the ejector wins hands down. I have also said you could easily turn an ejector into an extractor but unknown about the other way around. I felt we all lost for the few who complained about stuck cases. And that could have been cured for those that had them by proper preparation and maintaince of the firearm. I for one, and many others here, have never had a stuck case. Fred M had a great soloution for that little problem in his "stuck case groove", simple, cheap, and effective!! I liked it as soon as I saw it, you know, the old "why didn't I think of that!!". For some reason Fred's simple and ingenious soloution was not received with the fanfare I felt it deserved. Earlier when I spoke up for the ejectors I was like a voice in the wilderness. I now feel vindicated that 2 respected, expeirenced and knowledgeable members here also believe that ejectors are better for hunting....to late I am afraid, we have ALL lost on this one. I don't believe retrofitting a new extractor model to an ejector will be an easy task, possible hopefully, but that remains to be seen. I am sure if anyone can figure it out it will be Fred M....<><.... :grin:

My prediction still stands, older ejector models will in the future demand a premium in the used barrel and used gun market. They will be in demand by those of us who actually use these fine little guns to hunt. Unless of course Fred M comes to the rescue with a simple conversion of extractor to ejector!!...<><.... :grin:

mitchell · « **Reply #8 on:** January 28, 2006, 05:37:59 AM »

well guys is i was hunting something that could kill me i wouldn't be using a handi and if i did i would be taking long shots so that if crap hits the fan i can get the heck out of there. as for the extractor you would be amazed how fast you can get shots off. i've killed doubles on coyotes with my 204 ruger (extractor) and on bad days i've missed faster then you could with a ar-15 . i always wear gloves too average temp around here when i'm hunting is maybe 20F.

one thing to remember about extractors is that you just about can't get a stuck case, now you can have some really sticky ones but they never get stuck. i would think if you hunt dangerous game that reliable extraction would be more important that fast ejection.

Fred M · « **Reply #9 on:** January 28, 2006, 06:27:19 AM »

mitchell
Not everybody has the wizardry and manual dexterity to make doubles kills on coyotes with an extraxtor Handi rifle.
If you knew anything about dangerous game rifles you would know that they dont feature extractors. Positive 100% reliable ejection is their basis.

All the best SS and doubles have ejectors, otherwise they could not sell them. Who would want them.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #10 on:** January 28, 2006, 07:03:19 AM »

My point also Fred, but then again I'm so old I remember nice old doubles with ejectors and when the cheapest models and brands of shotguns (the only one's I could afford then) came with extractors and an ejector was something to be desired, an upgrade in money or model, usually both. We went backwards and lost when H&R went to extractors, except fot the benchresters with dirty or oiled chambers, they may be happy, but they could have easily converted the more desired and refined ejector to an extractor, not so for we hunters. H&R won by substituting the cheaper extractor for the ejectors and now we are to believe they are "better" :-D . Did I tell you about this bridge I have for sale? It's adjacent to oceanfront property in Arizona, and do I have a deal for you!!!....<><.... :-D :-D :-D

Mac11700 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 28, 2006, 07:12:08 AM »

Fred:

There are a-lot of the " Best" guns that come with extractors..I can't say what most PG's recommend using...never had the chance to go after dangerous game..but..they do make many types of them with extractors..apparently quite a few prefered extractors to ejectors.I get this very nice periodical called " The Double Gun & Single Shot Journal"..it's available in Canada for $19.95...it's choked full of some of the "Best"....Wonderfull beautiful guns made..and is a good read..talk about " Shock & Awe" :eek: some of the prices in there are astronomical.. to say the least..but..I'm like most here..I prefere the ejectors over the extractors..is it possible to convert the new style back to ejectors on the Handi?

Mac

mitchell · « **Reply #12 on:** January 28, 2006, 07:41:05 AM »

Quote from: Fred M

. Positive 100% reliable ejection is their basis.
quote]

well that don't happen much with a handi.

if that second shot is so important why even use a single shot to begin with??? like i said if i was hunting something that could/would eat me i wouldn't have my handi with me.

Fred M · « **Reply #13 on:** January 28, 2006, 08:45:11 AM »

My good Mac.

Quote

There are a-lot of the " Best" guns that come with extractors..

You forgot to say as an option

Double or single. One or two shells between your index and third finger is the method to go after dangerous game with a break open gun. Hit the latch two or one emty fly over your shoulder at the time two loaded shells go into the chamber. it is done in a blink.

I shot hundreds of ducks and geese with O/U and SXS using this method. Gertting four birds in nearly the same
time as a pump or auto loader.

Now I only load my double guns for geese with one shell and don't shoot the polluted ducks anymore.

H&R degraded and cheapened the Handi with the extractor. Never seen an extractor Handi neither will I buy one. I don't know if they can be reworked or converted.

It was just a cheap way out for H&R, rather than address the ejector sticking problem. A cam pin behind the ejector would have done it. This would have given the stuck case a little push before the ejector trigger activated the spring.

Sourdough · « **Reply #14 on:** January 28, 2006, 10:41:48 AM »

I won't buy a Handi with extractors. That's one of the main reason's I started going with Handi's to begin with, they had ejectors. When I open the gun I want that empty gone. If the gun won't do that I don't want it. That was the Handi's advantage over T/Cs products. Now going to extractors, they have removed themselves from the playing field. These guns were designed for hunting, now they have been redesigned to a toy. That's right they no longer qualify as a hunting gun. Takes too long to reload. Luckily, I have several that have ejectors and I will be keeping them.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 28, 2006, 11:06:07 AM »

Your right Fred...they are an option on those beauties...one day if I ever win a big lottery..I'll have to make my way to New York and have one of those H&H's made for me..and it will have ejectors on it.. :agree:

I may have to hurry up and buy some of the ejector barrels now for conversions...let's see...a couple 25-06's and a couple bull barreled 243's should just about do it for me..

Mac

MSP Ret · « **Reply #16 on:** January 28, 2006, 12:02:34 PM »

Your right Sourdough, no new H&R's for me either, luckily I have a few of the good ones with ejectors to play with. Either they have ejectors or I don't buy them, they really shot themselves in the foot with this one....<><.... :cry:

quickdtoo · « **Reply #17 on:** January 28, 2006, 12:34:50 PM »

I'm thinking they will need to continue to make the ejector underlugs for the rimfires, so why not offer an option on accessory barrels as either ejector or extractor, depending on our likes and dislikes. If they don't offer the ejector on the rimfires, I think they'll sell no more of em!!!

Tim

MSP Ret · « **Reply #18 on:** January 28, 2006, 01:21:01 PM »

That's a great idea Quick, it would be great if they did continue to offer both, at least in the barrel accessory program. They already have the tooling. We could have the best of both worlds....<><.... :grin:

aulrich · « **Reply #19 on:** January 29, 2006, 05:10:00 AM »

I think I am with mitchel, I'll take the slow cycle speed as a trade for positive extraction. And I don't have the nimbelest fingers in the world. An 06 based case should be even a litte easier to grab than the 204 I have got now.

mitchell · « **Reply #20 on:** January 30, 2006, 12:17:02 PM »

humm people with extractors are siding with extractors and people without them arent for them. hummm. sounds like people just don't want to try anything new.

here comes another 204 can't beat the 223 debate.

if it can eat you a slow second shot is better then maybe no second shot.

Fred M · « **Reply #21 on:** January 31, 2006, 12:41:46 PM »

Quote

like people just don't want to try anything new.

My foot! Extractors are the cheapest and the oldest system on SS or double firearms. They are not new, they are crap.

cheatermk3 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 31, 2006, 01:33:36 PM »

QUOTE:
My foot! Extractors are the cheapest and the oldest system on SS or double firearms. They are not new, they are crap.

Fred, I don't know about the first part, but the second part of your post is an opinion.

I had a Ruger #1 in 270 Win that had an extractor, not ejector; it was my primary hunting arm for several years. I learned to operate it in a way that allowed a quick reload.

Like an idiot, I sold it to fund a LH M700 Remington in 338 win mag.

Fred M · « **Reply #23 on:** January 31, 2006, 03:10:26 PM »

cheatermk3.
Unless there has been a design change, the Ruger# 1 of always had an ejector but you can easy change it to an extractor with very simple tools by removing the forearm and the ejector spring. Not only that but you can change the intensity of the ejection with an Allen wrench.

Yes I am opinionated

. My two Handi's have both the ejector and manual extractor notch either one works under certain conitions. New good brass will always eject, used wornout and stretched brass get stuck and needs help.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 31, 2006, 07:00:27 PM »

Quote

Unless there has been a design change, the Ruger# 1 of always had an ejector but you can easy change it to an extractor with very simple tools by removing the forearm and the ejector spring. Not only that but you can change the intensity of the ejection with an Allen wrench.

If we could only do this on our Handi's...I wonder if a person could modify it somehow?..Whatcha think Fred...is it do-able on a Handi?

Mac

Fred M · « **Reply #25 on:** January 31, 2006, 07:40:36 PM »

Mac.
I am no Bill Ruger his genius was inspired by the lord.
His ejector/extractor is simply incredible. The telescopic plunger with the spring in between is easy to take in and out. I adjusted mine so it wont put cases in orbit.

Yes I think a Handi could be done. The system would be one or the other with parts to change around.

It would involve some fancy milling on the underlug, and two different ejectors/extractor pieces, it would be too expensive perhaps. But I am only speculating.

You could call your friendly H&R man and see if you could get a design drawing of the extractor, which I doubt he would provide.

I am happy with the notch. Just a little nudge from the notch will solve the botch. It is about as simple as it can get.

Once the case breaks loose the ejector spring takes over and drops the case in your lap or open hand and the wee tool is right on your bench or cartridge box or in you sihirt pocket.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #26 on:** February 01, 2006, 04:20:44 AM »

Fred:

Thanks..I'll see if I can talk them out of them for ya...I was just musing on how a person could go about restricting the ejector somewhat..perhaps simply drilling and tapping the side of the ejector channel,and using a derlon type set screw out towards the end of it's travel to bear against the ejector itself might suffice..? It would probably wear out too fast ehh

Mac