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Marlin 1895 coming partially unlocked?
« on: January 21, 2006, 03:13:00 PM »
Last time I was out at the range I noticed that the lever on my 1895 was unlocking just slightly after firing, maybe 1/8" at the end of the lever. I could feel it move when it fired. I may not have been using a firm enough grip (not a good idea on a 45-70!) but I was still a little surprised. I was using moderately stiff handloads (45 gr of RL 7 behind a 405gr hard-cast bullet) but nothing near "danger" loads.

Has any one else had this experience?

:) Stuart

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Re: Marlin 1895 coming partially unlocked?
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2006, 04:02:12 PM »
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Last time I was out at the range I noticed that the lever on my 1895 was unlocking just slightly after firing, maybe 1/8" at the end of the lever. I could feel it move when it fired. I may not have been using a firm enough grip (not a good idea on a 45-70!) but I was still a little surprised. I was using moderately stiff handloads (45 gr of RL 7 behind a 405gr hard-cast bullet) but nothing near "danger" loads.

Has any one else had this experience?

:) Stuart


josquin. Lets hope you are loosing your grip and letting your lever down at the point the rifle goes off. I have done this on several occasions and cought my self  doing it. My hands are rather large In fact they  will just barely fit into the lever. I hope this is what is happening with you and nothing serious. :D ...........Joe................
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Re: Marlin 1895 coming partially unlocked?
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2006, 04:14:42 PM »
Thanks, Joe

I think "get a grip!" is probably good advice. As soon as things warm up a bit here (ie 40 deg. F or better) I'll try again.

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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2006, 11:17:54 PM »
josquin;                                                   I had the very same problem with a 1956 production Winchester Model 94, chambered for .32Win Spl. Every time you fired it the lever would drop about 1/8". As long as my next act was to open the action, no problem. However, several times when this happened I squeezed my hand around the stock, re-closing the lever. Next step to open that action would present a problem, I would have to pull really hard on the lever to get the action open. I mean very hard, several frustrating yanks and much cursing too. I spoke with other '94 owners and a gunsmith. They had no experience with this problem....................................The .32Win Spl was/is touted as great for Black Bear. I would not use this to hunt bear. Combining the rare requirement to stop a charge and a jammed rifle did not inspire confidence in me. I eventually sold the rifle. It sure looked and carried nice but I just did not like the unreliability factor it had..................My 1996 manufactured Marlin 336CS has never exhibited any such trouble. I've owned it for 3 years and have put ~350 rounds through it. I have managed, on occasion, 3 shot 3/4" groups @ 100yards from a rest. This using a mounted Banner 1.5-4.5 X32mm scope. I will use this rifle to hunt Black Bear this fall......................................Good luck with you lever troubles, hope you can get it straightened out...............................................................................................................................................................................                    B.C.

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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2006, 12:27:13 AM »
As the knowledgeable folks posted above, it is usually the grip.  I find this happening to me on occasion with both of my .444s.  When it happens to me it hurts! :oops:   Then I know I have gripped improperly.  Pain talks. :wink:

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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2006, 07:51:04 AM »
I noticed the same thing with my 1895 a few weeks ago.  It was a cold day and I was wearing gloves, the lever seemed to slip just a bit when I fired.  I took off the gloves and didn't have a problem after that because I was able to grip the rifle better.

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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2006, 03:55:47 PM »
Just to be clear about what I was saying in my above post, the lever unlocked of its own accord. I did not open the lever with my hand due to recoil, the wearing of gloves or large hands to begin with. I fired the rifle with my fingers deliberately kept out of the lever hoop and I had the same result: the lever dropped ~1/8". A competent gunsmith checked it out and could find no problem.........................I'm hoping your problem is a hand thing, ie; operator induced and not mysterious mechanical malfunctioning. Cheers.

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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2006, 04:41:53 AM »
Guys, I have an 1895 Cowboy model and have this same problem.  I reload and the first thing out I was using some up-loaded cartridges.  I cant remember exactly the powder charge, but I was using a 405 gr. projectile and the lever jamed my hand.  I tried gloves, but it did'nt help.

I also down loaded some 350 gr, but the recoil pushes my hand down and opens the action.  No other problems of ejection, but a cut middle finger.
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2006, 10:20:40 AM »
Hmmmm, fellas - isn't this a normal course of operation with both Marlins and Winchesters?????  My Winnies drop like that, all five of them and I have always thought this was a normal part of the operation.  The bolt does not open but the lever drops just enough to unlock (??) the action to lever in the next round.  I think that might be the function of that tiny little button that hangs out the bottom of the action where the lever closes (but now I'm not so sure).  However, I just went and checked all five and they all have that safety button, er whatever it is called.  Mikey.

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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2006, 02:26:48 PM »
I've experienced the same thing.  Rest assured, it is a recoil thing.  If you don't believe me, go buy some Rem 405 factory rounds or handload some rolling block-level ammo--you won't have this problem with lighter loads.

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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2006, 03:46:46 PM »
My guide gun used to pop open & not from my hand. I shoot mostly lame factory 405 loads & they would do it every time. It was recoil sure but any sharp blow would pop the action open & worse if it were fully loaded.
I took & relieved the spring on the trigger block. Mine was very tough & pushed hard enough that the lever popped open easy. You should be able to push the trigger block in easy with a finger. If you cant this might be part of your problem. I cut a few coils from the mag spring as well because I thought & still think this might be pushing it open a little too. Been told the mag spring dont matter but if you look in there it sure looks like it does.
Anyhow I can shoot anything in it now & the lever stays shut till I open it.
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2006, 02:57:23 AM »
Lymans #47 list for a 400 grain Cast with a 2.53 OAL: 48 Compressed grains of RL-7 for 1875 fps@26,900 CUP out of Remington brass and a 24 inch barrel.

Certainly not an overload or hot load by any means.I have had this happen on Buffalo Bore loads but not anything else.

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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2006, 04:05:24 AM »
Had several levers and all the big bores even the 30,32's have a tendancy to drop on firing that does not bother me as my hand is in the lever.
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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2006, 04:43:26 AM »
If you notice when you manually open the lever slowly, there is pressure against the lever that will make it jump that first bit. If you place a round in the magazine and then pop the lever that first bit, you will see the round move back into the reciever slightly.

Although some claim it isnt true, there is pressure from the magazine tube spring being placed against the lever in that last section of closing if there is a round in the magazine. If you gently press against the lever when closing that final bit and look through the small hole at the front of the loading gate, you will see that you can move that next round back and forth, but that there is no movement of the bolt out of lockup.

In addition, just before complete lockup, the lever engages the trigger safety which is spring loaded. I have heard of this being modified to have less spring pressure.

So there are 2 springs placing pressure against the lever, if there is a round in the magazine, at that very last portion of its closing cycle. Those 2 springs also have the assitance of gravity on the lever.

One thing I noticed is that as I became accustomed to the rifle and started operating it quickly after each shot, my grip had relaxed and allowed my fingers to be bumped in the lever, since I was no longer wrapping my thumb around the tang.

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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2006, 04:56:56 PM »
Howdy Leevermen-is this about the recoil hand jerking the lever open slightly after the shot? Please splain. longevity is advantageous, realidahorock

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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2006, 12:11:04 PM »
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Howdy Leevermen-is this about the recoil hand jerking the lever open slightly after the shot? Please splain. longevity is advantageous, realidahorock


Its possible that its your hand but as I and Sore Shoulder already said theres 2 springs trying to open the lever when the guns in battery.
I think honestly that its the trigger block to blame more than the mag spring.
Every newer Marlin levergun I'v tried to push the trigger block in was tough to do & some I just couldn't. My older guns I can push them in with my little finger & it dont even hurt.
I dont think its a big deal saftey wise as the bullets long gone by the time the lever pops open. My concern was I kept finding the action popped open while hunting, almost every time I unslung it it was open & even carrying it in hand if it caught the slightest twig or branch.
Bent the trigger block spring back a smidge & cut a few coils from the mag spring & now it stays closed till I open it.
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Re: Marlin 1895 coming partially unlocked?
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2006, 03:27:27 PM »
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Last time I was out at the range I noticed that the lever on my 1895 was unlocking just slightly after firing, maybe 1/8" at the end of the lever. I could feel it move when it fired. I may not have been using a firm enough grip (not a good idea on a 45-70!) but I was still a little surprised. I was using moderately stiff handloads (45 gr of RL 7 behind a 405gr hard-cast bullet) but nothing near "danger" loads.

Has any one else had this experience?

:) Stuart


Yep.

Easy test. Leave your nasty finger outside the loop when firing. I suspect the lever will stay closed. This is especially true if you are shooting from a bench. By the way, your load will move a hardcast bullet out the chute at over 1800fps - plently of recoil to cause strange things to happen.

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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2006, 08:50:53 PM »
these guys know thier stuff. I only know that my lever never jumps when I delebrity remove my hand from inside the lever. Even when I shoot my dinoblasters. I think both theories ought be tested by you and report back. good luck sir. realidahorock     hehe, like leverdude knows nuffing :D