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Offline FWiedner

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Brady Center - Alito Misleads on U.S. Gun Laws
« on: January 10, 2006, 03:35:32 PM »
Alito Misleads Committee on U.S. Gun Laws, Says Brady Center

WASHINGTON, Jan. 10 /U.S. Newswire/ -- In an exchange with Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), Judge Samuel Alito, in defending his dissent in U.S. v. Rybar, 103 F.3d 273 (3rd Cir. 1996), mislead the Senate Judiciary Committee about the content and history of federal gun laws, according to Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. In his Rybar opinion, Judge Alito wrote that the federal machine gun ban amounted to an unconstitutional exercise of Congressional power under the Commerce Clause.

-- Judge Alito wrongly suggested to the Committee that the machine gun ban is indistinguishable from the statute struck down in U.S. v. Lopez, 514 U.S. 549 (1995). The Gun-Free School Zones Act at issue in Lopez banned possession of guns in a particular place; i.e. at or near a school. The machine gun ban, by contrast, prohibits possession of fully automatic weapons in any location.

o Moreover, Judge Alito went far beyond the limited holding in Lopez, and indeed his view in Rybar has been repudiated by the Supreme Court. In June 2005, the Supreme Court issued its latest ruling on Congressional power under the Commerce Clause in Gonzales v. Raich, 125 S.Ct. 2195 (2005), rejecting the theory advanced in Judge Alito's Rybar dissent. Six Justices, including Justice Scalia, sustained the application of federal drug laws to intrastate medical marijuana use. Based on this ruling, the Supreme Court vacated a 2-1 ruling in the Ninth Circuit case of U.S. v. Stewart, 348 F.3d 1132 (9th Cir. 2003), that had declared the machine gun ban to be unconstitutional. In his exchange with Judge Alito, Senator Kyl cited the Stewart decision, without noting that it had been vacated by the Supreme Court. Judge Alito's conclusion that the machine gun ban violates the Commerce Clause has now been rejected by every circuit to consider the issue: the Second, Third, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, Eighth, Ninth, Tenth and Eleventh Circuits.

-- Judge Alito also falsely suggested that the federal machine gun ban and Gun-Free School Zones Act were unique among federal firearms laws because they lack a "jurisdictional element," requiring that prosecutors show that a machine gun had traveled in interstate commerce.

o Other federal firearms laws critical to public safety also lack a jurisdictional element. These include 18 U.S.C. Section 922(p), which prohibits possession of undetectable firearms manufactured after the date of enactment in 1988, and 18 U.S.C. Section 922(x), which generally prohibits possession of handguns by juveniles. Judge Alito's comments suggest that he would also strike down federal laws prohibiting undetectable firearms and possession of handguns by juveniles.

o Contrary to Judge Alito's suggestion, the courts have never required that Congress include a jurisdictional element in federal firearm laws. As the majority in Rybar noted, "We have rejected the argument that Lopez requires federal criminal statutes to contain a jurisdictional element." Rybar at 284, quoting U.S. v. Kenney, 91 F.3d 884, 887 (7th Cir. 1996).

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=59107

*FW Note:

So are we to understand that an object doesn't have to actually be an item of interstate commerce to be subject to the Commerce clause?  That there doesn't need to actually be an issue of federal law to claim federal jusridiction?

Interesting...

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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2006, 11:56:18 AM »
Wait a minute, what "machine gun ban"?
Is the Brady Center talking about "assualt weapons" or class 3 full-auto weapons?  Do they not know that "machine guns" are NOT "banned"?  they are simply licensed by Federal authority.  Can't these people ever get their facts straight?  :roll:

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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2006, 01:47:28 PM »
Shorty, you are correct I think.
You can get licensed to have a "full atuo" weapon through the Feds.

Assualt weapons actually weapons with full auto capability. Lot's of people out there think that military type semi auto's are assult weapons, but they are wrong. I'm not even sure where the term assualt weapons came from. Machine guns are usually considered high pressure rounds, like 7.62 nato, or 50 bmg...assult weapons are usually thougt of as low pressure rounds.
But as far as I know, full auto firearms can be licensed....I think it's expensive though.

And no, those people will never get the facts straight...LOL!!

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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2006, 11:59:39 AM »
Yes, Jimster, you too can, with a FULL FBI background check and a $200 transfer fee, buy a machinegun that you can't afford (much less "feed")  :roll:  :wink:
Don't tell Sarah, though.  She'd dob her panties.  :lol:

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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2006, 08:04:18 AM »
Jimster,

Those people don't deal in facts. Haven't you noticed their tendency to say "I feel" rather than "I think". If they feel it's true then it must be. No facts needed.  :x
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2006, 02:37:11 AM »
Actually there is a machinegun ban. You may not buy a new gun only a used one. This was by Executive Order from former president George Bush. Prices skyrocketed after this EO from basic supply and demand.

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2006, 11:18:16 AM »
Can't you just buy an off the shelf AR and MOD it witha FA Kit?
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