Author Topic: Savage 110 noise (Read 1239 times)

HillBillyFarmer · « **on:** March 16, 2006, 08:22:36 AM »

Howdy all, this is my first post and I hope someone can help me out with this question. A while back I found the need to own a rifle (I've been a shotgun only guy for a long time) and my father-in-law owns a small gun shop and noticed I was eye'n a used Savage 110 in 7mm rem mag, so he gave it to me. I put a good scope on it, we worked up a real good handload for it, the gun shoots great! The problem I have is that the gun has a 22" barrel that is ported very heavy. This gun makes a BOOM like I've never heard before and is very painful to shoot without ear protect. I really want to hunt with this gun, but I'm affraid to because of the noise. Does any have any suggestion?

Indrid Cold · « **Reply #1 on:** May 26, 2006, 10:38:43 AM »

22" is really short for a 7mm mag. With magnum calibers you need extra barrel length to give the powder more time to burn. I think 26" is standard for a 7mm, and I would consider 24" to be the minimum. With such a short barrel you lose a lot of velocity, which is the only advantage of a magnum over a normal round like a 270.

That being said, it's tough to complain about a free gun! I'd certainly take it, regardless of the barrel length. Unfortunantly there's not much you can do about the noise. 7mm in a 22" would be extremely loud anyway, but with a ported barrel there's no way you can shoot it without some kind of protection.

My advice is to get a pair of electronic earplugs. I have a cheap-o pair that I got at wal-mart for $30. They're small and work great.

But whatever you do, definitly don't shoot it anymore (or any other rifle for that matter) without hearing protection. Any high-powered rifle can damage your hearing with only a single shot, and your gun is much, much louder than the average hunting rifle.

Best wishes and congrats on your free Savage!

rickyp · « **Reply #2 on:** May 26, 2006, 03:04:25 PM »

you have a few choices
1) you can send me the rifle and be done wiht it :grin:
2) have it rebarreled to something like 26" Very easy done with most savage rifles most any gun smith can do it in very short order.
3) buy a set of pro ears or the like and use them whenever hunting ( this should be done any way) They work very well block out most of the noise from the shot but you can still hear the game comming, infact you can even hear therm fall once shot, I know I have a set and now never hunt with out them for anything or with anything Including bow hunting.

The Sodbuster · « **Reply #3 on:** May 28, 2006, 04:37:50 AM »

Indrid Cold commented:

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With magnum calibers you need extra barrel length to give the powder more time to burn.

The powder is completely combusted (burned) within a few inches of the chamber. A 7mm mag with a short barrel won't be sending unburnt powder out of the muzzle behind the bullet. As long as the bullet's inside the barrel, the gases from powder combustion are pushing and accelerating it. Once it leaves the barrel it begins losing velocity.

Magnum cartridges get higher velocity than standard cartridges of the same caliber for 2 reasons: More powder creates more expanding gases and a bigger "push"; and they usually have 26" barrels so they get a longer "push" too.

rickyp · « **Reply #4 on:** May 28, 2006, 12:03:12 PM »

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The powder is completely combusted (burned) within a few inches of the chamber

If this is true then why have I and still do get unburned powder on the end of my shooting bench, I get more of it when shooting short barreled habdguns but I do get it with my rifles as well

HillBillyFarmer · « **Reply #5 on:** May 30, 2006, 01:35:24 PM »

My model 110 pretty much goes against everything a magnum-hunting rifle stands for. The barrel is to short and doesn't get the proper velocity and the gun is just plain to loud to be shot without hearing protect, but what the heck, it was free and it's my first rifle. Despite all of its down falls I’ve topped it was a Bushnell Legend series scope 5x15x40 and it’ll flatten bowling pins at 300 yards. I’ve decided to keep the rifle as is and just get some good hearing protection that’s hunter friendly. I’m even considering putting a timney trigger in, but I’ll look into that at a later date.

The Sodbuster · « **Reply #6 on:** May 30, 2006, 04:21:59 PM »

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The powder is completely combusted (burned) within a few inches of the chamber

If this is true then why have I and still do get unburned powder on the end of my shooting bench, I get more of it when shooting short barreled habdguns but I do get it with my rifles as well

Afraid I can't answer that. Everything I've read states that the gunpowder is burned within a few inches of the chamber. I reload for about 5 different rifle cartridges, including the overbored .257 Weatherby. I've never seen unburnt powder granules on the bench. Even if there was unburnt powder, wouldn't it come out of the barrel moving pretty fast and be some distance from the bench before it came to rest?

victorcharlie · « **Reply #7 on:** May 31, 2006, 04:13:53 AM »

I have to agree with rickyt.....especially short barrels in an over bored cartridge with slow burning powders....... such as the 6mm/06.....the slowest burning powders required for these cartridges require a longer barrel to benifit. The burn rate of the powder has a lot to do with this......

longwalker · « **Reply #8 on:** May 31, 2006, 10:35:54 AM »

The ear protection will ease you pain. I hunt with a set of standard plugs in my ears but that is just me. Many people like the electronic ones.

As far as short barrel don't worry to much about that. This is the gun you have and it will do for you what you need it to do.

If you are curious regarding unburned powder sometime when it is just about dark, take it out and shoot it. If you get a nice orange glow from the muzzel it's prety clear the powder is burned. If you see bright white and little spark looking things going in different directions, you have unburned powder.

It all depends on the powder and the amount. In my 25-06 (56 grains of imr 4831 gets lots of sparks from a 24 inch barrel), on the otherhand my 338-06 I get an orange glow (62 grains of imr 4350 same barrel length).

Have fun and be safe.

longwalker

Castaway · « **Reply #9 on:** June 23, 2006, 02:30:55 PM »

99% of the powder is burned within a few inches of the chamber as stated previously. The bright light you see at dusk is super heated gas which is glowing. Some powders have less flash than others becasue of retardants. Longer barrels get more velocity because of the longer "push" by the confined gasses in the barrel not because the powder is still burning.

KN · « **Reply #10 on:** June 24, 2006, 10:50:31 AM »

The reason your getting unburned powder on the bench is probably either you are not using enough crimp on your cases or your primer needs to be hotter. I have found this true with H322 especially. I use only mag primers in my 45/70,450marlin,35rem loads using this powder. KN