I tell you, that 4 shot group Utahrob shot with those XTP's was impressive, and while I may wind up with them, I think I'm going to start off with the 285 grain Barnes bullets. Looks like they've got the best combination of trajectory and down-range punch. I'm not greedy, but I'd like to make my Winchester an honest 200 yard rifle. It'll probably be awhile, but I'll let you know how things turn out. Was debating between loose or pellets in 777, but I think I'll start off with loose powder. It's a little more economical, and weight-for-weight seems to give a little higher velocity than pellets. For some reason I'm limited to 100 grains loose powder or 150 grains pellets in my rifle...alan