All I know is the price of them has multiplied by like 4x. I have handled what looked like a 3-9X50 that was suspose to be the new Meade version. The price was over $400 at my local store. The owner of the store just ordered one to see how the scope would sell. Even he said it was over priced. I can't understand how they can ask so much for a scope with such a spotty reputation. The Chinese versions that the Sportsman Guide was selling were not that great. You can't expect someone to spend the kind of dough they are asking on a scope that is unproven. For the money, I'd buy a Leupold, Bushnell elite, or something that is proven. The new Redfield is so new, there are very little reviews. It is the same with the new Simmons, the only difference is that the new Simmons scopes aren't over priced.