Thanks for the offer smokepolehall. However, I picked up an Excaliber Phoenix late in January. Real nice bow, very accurate the few times I shot it, fast, and really not loud at all. It is everything everyone has said about it and more. One only has to hold and shoot one to really appreciate it. Only problem is I think it is too much bow for me and should have stuck with my decision to get the Vixen. I have a very bad back and rheumatoid arthritis and cocking the bow seems to aggravate them. I can shoot a dozen times and have to put it up for a week or so. Thats the main reason I went from compound bow to xbow. I may sell the Phoenix and get the Vixen or might just inquire if the Vixen riser and limbs will fit the Phoenix stock and rail, have not made a decision yet. I think they are the same. Anyhow, if it were not for my afflictions I would indeed be giddy with the Phoenix as it is an excellent bow.