Its not what I'm seeing yet, its what i'm hearing in the dark, sooner or later i'm sure i'll see it just like my first mountainlion they are the most elusive animal I have ever seen. I've seen tracks for over twenty years and finally got to see one in my headlites at night and near my camp growling the next day. This is where no mountainlions are suppose to be because they were all killed?? Now what i'm hearing is no sound like you have ever heard trust me bulletmaker knows what i mean. This sound if you ever are outside you better have a change of shorts. Not only will the hair on your neck stand up you will crap your pants too. You just don't expect it to be that close or that loud and intense its no joke. Its a joke till it happens to you. BigBill