Author Topic: .357 Rifle vs Pistol loads (Read 1908 times)

Star1pup · « **on:** March 17, 2006, 02:49:03 AM »

I found only one powder company that listed different loads for rifle and pistol in .357. Found only pistol loads for .38 Spcl. So, do I just use the pistol loads in a Marlin 1894C if I can't find a rifle load?

I'm planning to load a decent hunting type bullet if I can find one in both calibers.

Any info is appreciated.

RemingtonMagnum · « **Reply #1 on:** March 17, 2006, 03:14:38 AM »

See my questions on 1894C 357 Mag below same question.

Don Jackson Remington Magnum/Ultramag

Star1pup · « **Reply #2 on:** March 17, 2006, 03:25:35 AM »

Okay. I'll check it.

Sixgun · « **Reply #3 on:** March 17, 2006, 04:10:26 AM »

The Laser Cast manual warns against using their top loads, intended for revolvers, in rifles. The reason being is that most revolvers are stronger than the rear lockup bolt used in most 357 mag rifles. If you are shooting a break open single shot or a Rossi 92, you can work up to most of the hot revolver loads, but do so carefully and back off when you see signs of pressure.

Sixgun

RemingtonMagnum · « **Reply #4 on:** March 17, 2006, 05:33:39 PM »

HI Friends

Star1pup please share the rifle reloading data with up. None of the books I have mention the Rifle in 357 Mag

Don Jackson Remington Magnum/Ultramag

Jerry Lester · « **Reply #5 on:** March 18, 2006, 04:23:23 PM »

Sierra manuals list seperate data for 357 magnum handgun, and rifle.

I've found that unless you're really pushing the envelope with your loads, the rifles will handle the handgun loads just fine. The biggest difference is that when loading slower powders, especially like Lil' Gun, the rifles can use the extra long pressure curve to turn in a huge velocity gain over the revolvers.

Star1pup · « **Reply #6 on:** March 19, 2006, 02:04:25 AM »

The rifle info was in the Hodgen book that I bought a Gander Mt. last year. I'll check it out and post some info when i get some time.

Chuck White · « **Reply #7 on:** March 19, 2006, 04:29:46 AM »

I have 2 Hornady manuals, one printed in 1973 and the second printed in 1980!

In the older book they mostly list rifle loads higher than pistol loads!
357 Mag Rifle
158 GR JHP
2400 Start 11.9 gr ---- Max 14.5 gr.
Win 630 Start 10.9 gr - Max 12.3 gr.

357 Mag Pistol
158 GR JHP
2400 Start 11.9 gr ---- Max 14.5 gr.
Win 630 Start 9.7 gr -- Max 11.7 gr.

-----------------------------------------------

In the newer book they mostly list the pistol loads higher than rifle loads!
357 Mag Rifle
158 GR JHP
2400 Start 11.9 gr. --- Max 14.5 gr.
Win 630 Start 10.9 gr - Max 14.2 gr.

357 Mag Pistol
158 GR JHP
2400 Start 11.5 gr -- Max 14.8 gr.
Win 630 Start 12.5gr - Max 14.2

Hope this gives you some of what you were looking for!

These are the only books I have that have rifle and pistol listings for the 357 Mag.

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #8 on:** March 19, 2006, 12:16:01 PM »

If I had a rifle and a pistol chambered for the same cartridge and one needed lower pressure ammo (below SAAMI), I would get rid of that firearm.

In any case, I would never load higher pressure ammo than it could stand - too much chance of a mix-up.

By the way, the 92 is a strong action. My Browning B92 has been eating full-house .44 Mag loads for 20+ years.

jeager106 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 19, 2006, 02:45:39 PM »

Quote from: Coyote Hunter

If I had a rifle and a pistol chambered for the same cartridge and one needed lower pressure ammo (below SAAMI), I would get rid of that firearm.

In any case, I would never load higher pressure ammo than it could stand - too much chance of a mix-up.

By the way, the 92 is a strong action. My Browning B92 has been eating full-house .44 Mag loads for 20+ years.

Yup! Couldn't agree more!

RemingtonMagnum · « **Reply #10 on:** March 19, 2006, 05:27:25 PM »

I cant for the life of me think of any reason to want a 44 mag rifle when you can just as easily get a 45/70!

Just digging a little. No one is getting my 1894C 357 mag. You can shoot squirrels with the weaker 38 ammo. It is like slapping them with a boat paddle.

Don Jackson Remington Magnum/Ultramag

jeager106 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 19, 2006, 10:52:07 PM »

Quote from: RemingtonMagnum

I cant for the life of me think of any reason to want a 44 mag rifle when you can just as easily get a 45/70!

Just digging a little. No one is getting my 1894C 357 mag. You can shoot squirrels with the weaker 38 ammo. It is like slapping them with a boat paddle.

Don Jackson Remington Magnum/Ultramag

Yeah, yer right! Why get a puny .44 mag OR an even more puny .357 mag. when you can have a Marlin Ltd. II one of one thousand.
Oh, I do have a Marlin 1894 in .44 mag., a Winchester Trapper in .357 mag and a Marlin 1895 Ltd. II in .45-70!

Holy buckets there how'd I get so many lever guns???
Come to think of it I have two Marlin 336 30-30's a Winchester 94 with a scout scope set up and a 9422 and 9422M.

One of these days I've got to shoot my still unfired LtdII.

hey, do you really smack squirrels with your Marlin using .38's?
What load and do you use a scope or open sights?

RemingtonMagnum · « **Reply #12 on:** March 19, 2006, 11:54:45 PM »

I load them half to just above load suggestions. I am also using a slower burn powder. The barrel will burn what the pistol will just blow out the barrel end. Tinker around and find where the bullet sits best in the case for your gun. It is a double test. One of patience wait for the head shot and the other is accuracy. Really makes holding still for large game an easier task. It kills some of the anxiety of holding for the best shot possible.

BTW: If you shoot one in the simi standing pose with their head really up they fly like a whirley Bird. Spinning to the groud. I do eat my kill!

Don Jackson Remington Magnum/Ultramag

Jerry Lester · « **Reply #13 on:** March 20, 2006, 11:39:17 AM »

Quote from: jeager106

hey, do you really smack squirrels with your Marlin using .38's?
What load and do you use a scope or open sights?

I do too. Here's a very good load for that purpose, but I now use 357 cases, and a little more velocity.

38 cases
standard primers
125g Rem. SP's
5.2g of Unique

This load should give you just under 1000 fps, and thumps squirrels, or rabbits with a vengence! Most of the time it's not to bad on meat damage if you have to take a chest shot either.

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #14 on:** March 20, 2006, 02:02:07 PM »

Quote from: RemingtonMagnum

I cant for the life of me think of any reason to want a 44 mag rifle when you can just as easily get a 45/70!

Just digging a little. No one is getting my 1894C 357 mag. You can shoot squirrels with the weaker 38 ammo. It is like slapping them with a boat paddle.

Don Jackson Remington Magnum/Ultramag

The Browning B92 is SUCH a sweet little gun! Much smaller than any of my Marlins, including the .45-70!

For what its worth, 13.5g HS-6 and a 300g hardcast make a potent .45-70 squirrel load. Head-shot accuracy (one ragged hole at 50 yards) and half the recoil of a .30-30. These loads break rocks nicely, too!

Mannlicher · « **Reply #15 on:** March 20, 2006, 03:04:17 PM »

its bogus that a Marlin rifle is not as strong as a handgun.

I shoot much stronger loads from myi 1894S than I would in my .44 handguns. Zero problems, but a number of hogs and deer.

RemingtonMagnum · « **Reply #16 on:** March 21, 2006, 12:03:55 AM »

Quote from: Coyote Hunter

Quote from: RemingtonMagnum
I cant for the life of me think of any reason to want a 44 mag rifle when you can just as easily get a 45/70!

Just digging a little. No one is getting my 1894C 357 mag. You can shoot squirrels with the weaker 38 ammo. It is like slapping them with a boat paddle.

Don Jackson Remington Magnum/Ultramag

The Browning B92 is SUCH a sweet little gun! Much smaller than any of my Marlins, including the .45-70!

For what its worth, 13.5g HS-6 and a 300g hardcast make a potent .45-70 squirrel load. Head-shot accuracy (one ragged hole at 50 yards) and half the recoil of a .30-30. These loads break rocks nicely, too!

I believe in Philosophy and theory of Case explosion and want load a 45/70 half are less. I experiance something that appeared to be Case Explosion. The 38 case is a minimal volume and lessons the possibility of accidental Case Explosion.

Even with the 38 Special case I use Shotgun Wadding to take up empty space. That keeps the rocket propulsion in alignment for a smooth powder burn. Like not having the flared exhaust on the Space Shuttle.

Again just one of the things I do personally.

Don Jackson Remington Magnum/Ultramag

tapehoser · « **Reply #17 on:** March 21, 2006, 04:03:37 AM »

Nosler manuals do not differentiate the 2 loads. The 5th manual has the EXACT same loadings for .44 Mag handgun and .44 Mag rifle. Same powder charges, same bullets.

As long as you remain within SAAMI limits, you'll be fine.

RemingtonMagnum · « **Reply #18 on:** March 23, 2006, 10:06:06 AM »

Below is the information on the CCI Blazer 38 Special 158 Round Nose Lean ammo with only 755FPS and 200Muzz. No need to relaod for squirrels and it is priced right.

Don Jackson Remington Magnum/Ultramag

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CCI Blazer 38 Special 158 grain Round Nose Lead ammunition

Muzzle velocity: 755 Fps

Muzzle energy: 200 foot pounds

50 rounds per box

Blazer® Ammunition

CCI® BLAZER® CENTERFIRE HANDGUN AMMUNITION

jeager106 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 23, 2006, 08:22:21 PM »

Quote from: RemingtonMagnum

Below is the information on the CCI Blazer 38 Special 158 Round Nose Lean ammo with only 755FPS and 200Muzz. No need to relaod for squirrels and it is priced right.

Don Jackson Remington Magnum/Ultramag

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
CCI Blazer 38 Special 158 grain Round Nose Lead ammunition

Muzzle velocity: 755 Fps

Muzzle energy: 200 foot pounds

50 rounds per box

Blazer® Ammunition

CCI® BLAZER® CENTERFIRE HANDGUN AMMUNITION

Great IDEA! :-)
My .357 rifle is a Win. 94 Trapper. I took it for a woods walk this morning with some .38 reloads, at about 800 f.p.s.. I killed several stumps and dirt clods, generally playing in the woods like a kid.
My Marlin 1894 is in .44 magnum. I'm gonna brew up some 240 swc lead boolit loads at about 8/900 fps for it too.
I doubt that load would damage any edibles.
Once I shoot a fox squirrel with a .44 cap'n ball with .454 ball and 30 grains of 3fg.
I was surprised the ball did very little damage, just poked a hole thru the critter.

Jerry Lester · « **Reply #20 on:** March 24, 2006, 04:09:03 AM »

You're getting ready to re-experience hunting all over again!

RemingtonMagnum · « **Reply #21 on:** March 24, 2006, 04:45:00 AM »

For me hunting and fishing both have its times. Time for serious fishing and serious hunting. Then there are day that is bright sunny day and nothing is coming across my path. Time to go swimming are shoot cans and pine cones off trees. These play days are the best physiatrics on earth. At these play times more of the daily grind is washed away than river water.

Don Jackson Remington Magnum/Ultramag

Echo4Lima · « **Reply #22 on:** April 05, 2006, 11:13:35 AM »

Have 1894C, HAD Ruger Security Six. 1894C good with pistol loads. Pistol not good with rifle loads, cylinder screw would "work" loose and prevent cylinder from opening. Really sucked! So, sold pistol!