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Offline Steve357

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Winchester 1892 in .45colt.....question
« on: February 25, 2003, 01:45:40 PM »
Hello All!

This is my first post. I hope I'm not re-hashing an old topic. But here goes.


A couple of weeks ago I came across a Win. 1892 in 45Colt.  It was NIB, the round barrel model with the engraving on both sides of the reciever and a tang safety.  The only rounds I had loaded were some plinking loads for my super blackhawk.  They seemed to shoot pretty good, but I didnt do any real bench work with it.

I live Arkansas and hunt whitetail deer in the southern part of the state.  I have other rifles suited to "beanfield" hunting, but I'd like to use the little winchester for hunting the woodlots between the fields.  100yds or so would be the max for a shot in these thick areas.  

Can the winchester handle heavy handloads, such as the loads listed for "Rugers and Contenders Only" or the hot corbon hunting load?

Also, will a hot loaded .45colt do the job on whitetail deer at the distances I mentioned?  I've taken several deer with my SB at bow range(20 to 30yds) and it's done very well at those ranges with factory ammo.

Thanks for taking the time to read my long winded post and thanks for a great forum.

Steve
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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2003, 01:56:38 PM »
:D .  Paco Kelly has some good artlcles about the Rossi in his Lever Action web page.  Sorry, the address escapes me, but a seach under Paco and lever should turn it up.  According to him, your Rossi in 45 Colt is even stronger than a Winchester or Marlin 94.  I load my Win 94 to Ruger loads and have taken deer and hogs with it, all with authority. I wouldn't hesitate to use the 45 at 100 yards or even a little further.  Furthest shot I've made was on a 250 lb boar at 90 paces.  Bullet passed through on a side shot.  I was using a 255 grain, half lead, half wheelweight cast bullet at 1525 f/sBy the way, I have  a tang on my Trapper that I won't consider doing without.
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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2003, 02:21:47 PM »
Castaway,

Thanks for the reply, but my rifle is a Winchester 1892, not a rossi.


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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2003, 02:26:39 PM »
Hi, Steve!

Are you SURE that M1892 carbine in .45 Colt was made by Winchester?  Or was it a Rossi from Brazil?

The orginal Winchester M1892 rifle/carbine was never chambered in .45 Colt.  The new Brazilian-made Rossi is so chambered for the cowboy action shooters.

As for your question, is the .45 Colt suitable for 100 yard shots at deer?  I'd have to venture a qualified "no".

I too own and shoot Ruger Super Blackhawks in .45 Colt, and firmly believe that in terms of power and accuracy, the .45 Colt is NOT 100 yard deer gun.  YES, I know that some outstanding pistol hunters are gonna scream "FOUL!!!" but that is how I feel.  the .44 Remington Magnum is an "expert's gun"  in almost the identical revolver.  so, even when hot-loaded, the .45 Colt is simply not up to the job.
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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2003, 02:39:50 PM »
Oh I am sure alright.

I quote from the 23rd edition of Fjestads blue book:

Model 1892 Grade 1 .357mag (new1998), 44-40 WCF (new 1998), or .45LC, similar to original Model 1892 Win, 24inch round barrel, top mounted manual hammer stop, blue finish with etched reciever engraving, gold trigger, satin finished walnut straight grip stock and forend with metal cap, 6.5lbs.  Mfg. 1997-99.

This in the Winchester section of the book on page 1512.

Not to mention the rifle has Winchester U.S. repeating arms co.  New Haven CT, U.S.A.  stamped on the left side of the barrel.


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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2003, 02:58:33 PM »
I have a Win model 94 in 45 Colt.  It's not the same rifle as yours, but I have chrono'ed some rounds.  You should be able to load higher than I have in this rifle.  I have loaded a 300 gr Laser cast to average 1564 fps from the rifle. I would hope that you could knock a whitetail over at 100 yards with that!  If not, you have some big deer where you are :grin:

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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2003, 03:18:01 AM »
Steve,

The '92 action is strong by design.  The design combined with modern metallurgy makes for an outstanding action (as far as strength goes).

Hot loading the old '92s is never recommended.  They didn't use the good metals we have available today.

The only make that I'm aware of that has been handling hotloads well is Rossi's '92 Winchester.  They're made in Brazil.

There are also '92 Winchesters stamped by Browning and Winchester and ASM.  These are not made by Rossi.  Some of them are made in Japan.  I have no idea what the strength and quality is of these guns.  Except I've heard the Browning '92s are excellent guns THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE SUPER-STRONG AND CAPABLE OF HOTLOADS THOUGH!

Rossi does make the '92 in .454 Casull if you want something that will shoot flat to 100 yards.  Also Winchester (U.S. Repeating) makes a '94 in .480 Ruger.
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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2003, 03:56:34 AM »
Good grief man, why would you want to shoot a deer with that rifle? That cartridge is over 130 yrs old! You would have to aim over the horizion to hit one at 100 yards! Even then it would be like getting hit with a decending golf ball on a 200 yard drive. You need to take that thing to a gunshmith and have him identify it for you. Its no Windjammer. Hang that thing on the wall and get a reel gun! Like a 416 Rem, Mag. Then those hundred yard shots are no problem.
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2003, 08:22:24 AM »
Steve,I have a Win92 in 45Colt and shoot 300gr Hornady over H110 if this can't kill a whitetail at  100yds then we all better just stay at home and eat Mad Cow burgers. They are one sharp looking levergun too!  

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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2003, 11:34:59 AM »
Jim,

Could you give some idea of a place I can find loading data for the type of load you mentioned.  All of my load books show pretty week loads, i guess for the old revolvers..

thanks

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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2003, 01:20:13 PM »
Steve,  I have been doing a whole bunch of research lately on the 45lc and the 454 Casull.  Rather than bore you with tons of details, I think that I can offer you a few sites with lots of information on what you are looking for.
http://www.sixgunner.com/paco/fortyfives.htm

Don't be bashful about using the home link at the bottom of the page and looking around.  A whole bunch of people shoot the 45lc over there and have documented their experiences with the cartridge.

Not sure who said it, but I would have to strongly disagree with the notion that a 45lc is not enough gun...especially out of a rifle, for deer.  

Good luck with your toy, and also take a look at the thread going on the 454 LSI Puma thread for some info pertaining to 45 cal lever guns.
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2003, 09:50:18 PM »
Steve, 5th edition Hornady page 751  Ruger&T/C only loads,this data should prove safe when used in the Marlin 1894S or the Win94 rifles produced in 45 Colt,but always start load development low and work up.It's a start.         Smokeless Jim
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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2003, 12:42:52 AM »
i know i'm late on this thread and that all issues have been resolved but i'm wondering a couple of things. winchester brush guns have been chambered in a .45 for along time-right. when i grew up and where i grew up--the big thicket area of east texas-- that was about the only deer gun most had, if not it was a shotgun. they cleared the woods of deer to a point there was hardly any left. but then again they didn't know it wouldn't do the job. :roll:  :roll:
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