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Offline mainegobbler

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« on: April 03, 2006, 06:55:03 AM »
Yesterday while patterning my pardener turkey gun (12ga) I found that my point of aim was well low and to the right.  I dont know what to do now, many gunsmiths say that you cant drill and tap these guns, but the chamber area looks thick enough to me.  How else could I put an adjustable sight on this gun, or can it be drilled and tapped, how else can I handle this POA problem??
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2006, 08:13:29 AM »
I would contact H&R customer service and see what they say.

1-866-776-9292 toll free or hr1871@hr1871.com
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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2006, 12:52:09 PM »
Check out this thread first, it works, just go slow:

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=88522

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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2006, 01:25:23 PM »
At what distance?  How low ? How much right?

Reason I ask is I just purchased a Partner Turkey 12 ga. / full choke Friday.  Over the weekend I thought mine did the same off hand shooting......low and right.  Really need to put it on a rest.  This was with Rem. 3 1/3" #4 Turkey also wind was left to right.

After that I shot some low base #6 and it seemed good.
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2006, 10:02:31 AM »
I experienced a similar problem, but my 10 Ga. Pardner was high and left.  Gunsmith said he wouldn't feel comfortable drilling it, but I did use the pre-drilled holes to mount a BSA Red Dot.  That corrected the problem and I couldn't be happier.  Never thought I would like anything but open sights for turkey hunting, but this thing is awesome.
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2006, 04:37:50 AM »
Quote from: MSP Ret
Check out this thread first, it works, just go slow:

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=88522

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"...just go slow" Remember, we're talking minor degrees alteration.

It's a good idea to make corrections to windage and elevation in separate operations... with a setup like the one pictured in the above thread you could even do it at your shooting range using the shooting bench or just a plank on a couple of stumps or cement blocks as your 'bench'. :wink:

Just noticed your 'handle'. You're from Maine, I assume. Do you live in the country where shooting can be done in your own yard or someplace equally convenient? If so, that's a big plus, one which I envy. :roll:
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2006, 05:36:50 AM »
Hi hammerspur, no. I unfortunately live in the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts/Taxachusetts, where that gun hater Tom Reilly plys his tirade against guns and gun owners. Just think, a socialist zealot like that for AG and now he wants to be Governor!!! Heavan help us all... :(

My camp however IS in Maine   :grin:  and I can shoot right off my porch!!!....<>....  :-D
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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2006, 05:51:57 AM »
:D Hi MSP,
 
I quoted your advice, and second it, but I was asking Mainegobbler about his residence...take it for granted it's Maine, but thought I'd ask. I have observed your avatar as well.

I'm your neighbor in RI as you've probably noticed, and as you also probably know, politics is pretty one sided here as well... three guesses which side. :-D
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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2006, 09:46:58 AM »
I would try burnishing the barrel first before I did any barrel bending.  This will usually help even out the pattern and sometimes even shift the center of the shot pattern.   Do a search of 'burnishing' you should find info on it and it is not at all difficult to do and can not harm your barrel.
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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2006, 02:58:21 AM »
I did the elevation and windage forming simultaneously.  I wanted to make only one bend and got lucky.  This took multiple tries but I marked the barrel and placed it back into the jig exactly the same each time with a slight twist in the correct direction to adjust windage and elevation together.  

My barrel was about 5 to 6" low and about 2" to the right at 25 yards when I started.  It made no differents if a shot slugs, 00 buckshot or #6's.  They all shot the same.  I don't recommend anyone trying this unless you are mechanically inclined.  Even then you're taking you're chances.  

I bought my Pardner used for $40.00.  The gun looked like it hadn't been fired more than a dozen times.  Probably because the barrel had been damaged so badly.  I do not think it left the factory this way.  Something happened to this barrel either by shipping or one of the previous owners.

Brett:  You've got my curiousity.  I'm going to take a wooden dowel along with some 000 steel wool and see if I can alter the POI.  If so I'll be moving my barrel back some.  Another reason I wanted to perform both windage and elevation in a single bend rather than two separate bends.
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2006, 11:30:05 PM »
I must say making a big Q tip from a dowel rod and some steel wool does work good.  It shined up the inside of my barrel but didn't alter the POI.  I think it is a good thing to do every once and awhile.  Gets the lead out I'm sure.

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« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2006, 04:18:40 AM »
one$$shot,  Did you notice any change in your pattern density with bird shot?  I have a .410 that shot to POA well but had a big hole near the center of it's pattern.  After burnishing it shot nice evenly distributed patterns.
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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2006, 01:25:33 AM »
Brett:  I can't honestly say I could see any change in the way the gun shot .  I tried 00 buck out of it and then the #6's.  

I'm certain that the steel wool did something because after forming the barrel I could feel a spot in the barrel with the bronze brush that had additional drag in it as I worked the brush back and forth (about an inch).
This spot could have been in the barrel all aong.  I didn't know enough beforehand to check for it.

After steel wooling the barrel with the homemade steel wool Q tip this spot in the barrel went away.  I can slide the bronze brush back and forth the entire length of the inside of the barrel and it feels the same regardless of where the brush is along its length.  So it did something.  Looking inside the barrel into high light (the sun) I could not see any difference.  I could feel it in the cleaning rod however before the steel wool treatment.  

I give the steel wool on the wooden dowel treatment a thumbs up.  I agree a person should try this before doing any barrel bending.  With Quick's mentoring it was a breeze to form that barrel.  As soon as Tim told me how, I instantly knew I could do it.   :grin:  I never knew I could have soooo much fun with a $40.00 gun.  It makes me feel like a kid again!

Chuck
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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2006, 11:20:03 AM »
most all nef single shots shoot low! all you have to do is pad your stock! an old trick that trap shooters do! I have a cheap pad that i use on my 1300 win for trap! You know the kind with valcro underneath I cut to fit and taped a mouse pad for extra height! If you shoot high to the right just pad up and to the left!  it's easy! And always keep your head on the stock and don't flinch! Your pattern will soon zoom in!!!!
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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2006, 11:56:35 AM »
No offense chrsm, I'd rather fix the problem than to use old tricks.
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