Ditto! On Excaliburs! I can tell you unless you get a high dollar 10pt. all of those compound xbows have pitiful triggers. All xbows are abit loud when shot, compound xbows tend to be heavy on the limb end and light on stock end. You try them shoot them, then decide. I shoot an Excalibur Phoenix and the only other bow i would buy is the Vixen and its made by you guessed right Excalibur!