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Offline Ray Gunter

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« on: April 03, 2006, 05:31:59 AM »
Hey, I have the chance to build a private range sometime this year and need some ideas from those that may have stumbled this way before.

A chance like this only comes around once in a great while so I would really like for this range to be a showplace that the landowner would be proud to have on his land.

This range I believe will have targets at 50, 100, 200, 300, 400, and 500 yards. From what I've surveyed so far, all of the targets I think can be shot from a singe position, basicly all in a line or almost in a line. Electricity will be available via a small generator. I'm thinking a concrete pad large enough for two benches and a small storeroom. Roof of course for shade.

What about target stands.

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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2006, 05:52:15 AM »
Target stands:

Copy the old military style built out of 2 X 4's.  Simple, effective and last pretty long time.

Another version is 2 X 4 frame with OSB to use as backing for stapled on targets.  Cheap and effective as wel as simple.  They eventually get beat up enough to have to replace, but it takes a good while.

Use rebar and weld steel frames, paint them with a non reflective flat paint.  You can weld on brackets for staple on backing or mount steel gongs of various shapes and sizes.   "Pow ding" is a wonderful sound for fun shooting.


Safety:

Berms to the sides and at each distance, including a high berm behind the last range distance to insure as much as possible no rounds escape.

Storage:

A small storage shed/storeroom is something one will definately want.  

Luxury:
 If electricity is there, build with enough room for a refrigerator to keep cold drinks in.  Makes the afternoon more pleasant.  Also a coffee pot and water for coffee in the winter.  Luxury items, yes, but so much appreciated when one is thirsty during shooting.

Cleanliness:

Make sure to have a place for a trash can and broom, to clean up the concrete pad when done.  Storage area for the broom, a rake and trash bags is good as well.

Shooting area:

Make it big enough for both rifle and pistol.  Include areas for all types of shooting, including freehand.  Why?  So on can practice and shoot anything one wishes and invite friends over who shoot different stuff.  Variety, the spice of life.

Other storage:

Rifle racks
Pistol shelves
shelving the the storeroom
hooks to hang tools and a cabinet for cleaning supplies and reloading stuff

Hope this helps,

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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2006, 10:04:18 AM »
Build a little potty palace!!  If you have running water it won't take much of a septic tank and leach line for a commode and sink that'll not be used all that often.
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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2006, 10:48:52 AM »
You may want to consider two separate areas. One 25-50 yards with backstop for pistol and another 100-500 yards for the rifles. You may also want to consider targets on a rope or chain for those 200-500 yard shots. That's a lot of walking to check your targets.

What are you going to use as a backstop? 10-20 foot earth berms are common.

We just finished a job at a police pistol range that was 6 inches of concrete covered with 18-24 inches of shreaded rubber. Rubber catches the lead whole and the concrete allows you to remove the rubber and recycle the lead.

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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2006, 11:12:26 AM »
This is very private.  Not a private club.  Private as in the owner, me and our invited guests. Nearest road about a mile away. The nearest neighbor maybe mile and half behind the firing line. This is very remote.
Range would be across a very wide creek bottom with a very steep hill rising 2-3 hundred feet located just behind the 500 yd mark. The 100, 200 and 300 yd marks are slightly downhill with the 500 about level with the firing line.

My initial survey at the layout and first impression is that the 100 yd target could be a cable driven retrieve. That would serve for any yardage out to 100. 22, pistol, air rifle, ect ect. The rest would have to be manual retrieve.

Some features on the list so far.
2 rifle benches w/left and right positions on each
an area for off hand firing.
permenant mounted clay bird thrower
sturdy Loading bench
Roof for shade
Ceiling fan for cooling
Little house out back for those needed trips
Trash can with brooms to police the brass and stay neat
Coffee pot
BBq grill for extended shooting
Storeroom for range supplies.
Steel gongs
Chronograph supports
Lots of lights
Lights at the 100 yard target
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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2006, 12:11:01 PM »
If you build a roof for shade, build it fairly high and don't extend out to far. A roof is great but they sure kick muzzle blast back at you. Just a thought, maybe put the low end in front and maybe the muzzle blast will get directed back away from the shooter rather than down. Also, hang shade cloth around it far enough down to shade the bench early and late. Point the range north and south, then you'll never be shooting into the sun. Just a few thoughts that I've had of my own. I think about a permant place a lot. Oh yea, small platform 10' in front of the bench to set a tripod to hold a cronograph. Lineing up a crono is a pain in the butt!
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2006, 01:58:12 AM »
I would contact the National Rifle Association. They are sure to have good plans that would include all the best safety features.

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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2006, 02:37:59 AM »
Here's an Idea for trash removal

At the target site I use an 18" piece of steel pipe 12" dia. I burn the targets in that pipe and when there is a little build up of ashes I just pick it and move it to let the Cool ashes blow away - no mess and no damage - no paper to haul back to the trash.

Just about anything would work - cut off steel tube - this can be found relatively easily at construction sites or steel fab shops. Typically cut off's from some project. A steel bucket or anything that wont burn and make a good burn pot will do nicely.
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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2006, 02:21:37 PM »
Here's something for you to think about....old tires and dirt!  A local range uses stacked tires filled with dirt as backstop at various ranges.  What makes these so sweet is how easily staples attach the targets to the tires.  The range here is public so a ton of people use them and they swap out the tires after a few years.  If only a handful of people are shooting, this setup would probably last a long time.

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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2006, 03:12:43 PM »
I know you stated it was a very remote area but you might want to consider putting signs up to let people know there might are entering a danger area.  Remember an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure

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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2006, 05:51:30 PM »
Sometimes it pays to listen to those who have been there, done that!

I tried to give suggestions to folks back home who were building a range.  They laughed at me.  What does a college kid know?  Nobody uses the range any more.  Can't see targets!

If possible, run your line of fire shooting South to North.  This way the sun is almost always behind you if in the lower 48.  You never have to look into the sun.

If you can, shoot on a mild down hill slope.  Make a birm every 50 yards or so to catch your bullets.  A neighbor with a tractor and bucket can build birms out to 500 yards in most soils in a weekend, if range only two benches wide.  Make each successive birm just a little bit higher than the last.  You want your furthest target to be level or just a slight down hill.  You do not want to be shooting up at the farthest range.  You want that bullet dropping into the ground and into a birm or backstop.

Keep the garbage home.  Don't shoot cans, bottles, or other glass objects.  Don't leave paper targets out on the range.   This type of target will get you shut down faster than about anything.

At our range we make target stands out of 2x4s and 3/8" plywood.   8' 2x4 cut into 3' and 5' pieces.  Make a T with the 3' piece nailed to the 5' piece.  3' piece is the base, 5' piece is the upright.  You want the uprights facing you with the 1.5" edge showing.   Cut strips of the 3/8" plywood about 6" wide across the 4' width of the plywood sheet.  Nail one plywood strip onto 1.5" width of one T upright, then nail the other end of the strip to the other T upright.  Place another plywood strip about 9" below and another about 9" below that.  When looking at your target stand, it should look like an H with two more bars above the center cross piece.   Stand is 5' high and 4' wide.  Plywood strips are 9" apart and 8.5x11 target will staple nicely to two of the strips and your shots go between them.  These should last for several years.  If you make several sets, it is easy to place them at 100, 200, 300, and 500 yards.  They usually don't blow over, they dont cause richochets, and it they are in the way, just lay them down and they kinda sorta disappear.  

Make a good platform for shooting.  Concrete, wood, or whatever.  You want to be able to find your brass.  Picking or sweeping it up off flat surface is lots easier than searching for it in grass or rocks.  

Put up a few wind flags.  Surveyors tape and paint stir sticks from the hardware department work great.

Like mentioned before, have a burning barrel for ammo boxes, old targets, etc.  Have a good piece of steel mesh to cover it to keep trash and embers from flying out.  

Lots of other ideas.  Need more?

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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2006, 06:15:40 PM »
Oh, some don'ts.   The guys back home cleared a bunch of timber and ran a 600 yard range due east.  The sun comes up in the east and blinds you until nearly 10a.m.  Except for late summer, the sun goes over just a little south of the range so the large timber leaves shadows on the targets.  Makes them kind of hard to see on sunny days.  In late afternoon, the sun is at your back and shines off the back of your scope.  Makes it kinda hard to see.  

One of the ranges is on the runoff area of a small hill.  No one did anything to control the runoff after the timber was moved.  We winters make lots of mud and washes or erodes away part of the range.  No fun walking down range to put up targets while wearing knee high rubber boots and sticking in the mud.  

Someone made some nice metal targets.  Swing good if you hit them.  They are on a stand about 4' high.  Only problem is the birm behind is 3' high.  If you miss, you cannot see where.  Very frustrating.  

One one short distance pistol range, they cover an area out to about 25 yards with red cinders.  Looks nice, gets hot in summer and kills the grass and weeds, but....it floats in winter during high water.  If you set up targets like bowling pins to shoot you throw cinders all over the place.  Not a good backstop.  

My cousin made a really nice range for 5 stand, skeet, etc.  Works really great.  He has a high hill behind to catch the clays and shot.  Unfortunately part of this hill is shale.  Rock.  You cannot shoot a rifle or pistol in this area as it could hit a piece of shale and richochet over the hill.  He tried to bring in a cat to move it.  Wont move.  Would have to dynamite to remove the slope and take away chances of richochet.  

Our current range is nicely layed out, great cover, excellent lights, etc.  We have nice grass that is mowed and even in wet W WA, we don't get too muddy.  Unfortunately the grass and lawn is sooo nice, the deer, bird, bunnys etc like it also.  We have to watch out for wildlife when shooting and have had to stop matches due to wildlife on the range.  A nice fence or some natural deterant would be nice.  

They just made a couple of concrete benches at the range.  They sure are nice for shooting, but you cannot move them.  That makes it difficult if weather coming at you and you would like to reposition to get out of the wind and rain.  

A range up north of us has a nice layout, unfortunately, out to 200 yards it is very steep uphill and downhill.  Very rough climb in wet weather due to being slippery.  Also no place for spectators.  Even the wife wants to come watch once in a while and throw a little lead down range.  If you don't make if comfortable for the fairer sex, you will hear about it.  Especially if the only spot for relief is the third tree on the left.   :)

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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2006, 04:56:08 PM »
If you do build an out-building, I'd put a waterproof sign on the door indicating that no guns, valuables, or ammo are stored in the building.  Hopefully this will deter people from breaking in.

You'd be surprised how accessible the middle of nowhere is.  Or how often trespassers DO access it.  I can't count the number of treestands and trail cameras buddies have lost in "private" woods.

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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2006, 08:12:48 PM »
Lots of good advice you are getting here.  
NRA has a whole manual you can buy for about $50 - ITS worth it.  They also have range building seminars around the country, usually about this time of year.  Check out their web site. We sent our club president to one once and he came home with a bunch of good ideas.

You should check out your local zoning and planning laws - county or whatever.  You can do it discretely with out telling them what you have planned but don't over look this item or it could be a headache for you later.

I STRONGLY agree with posting signs around the perimeter, even fence it if you can.  Heck I was out at our range Sunday and some idiot had driven his snowmobile around behind the range, even with some signs posted.  He wasn't there while I was shooting.

I think the National Shooting Sports Foundation has some good info too.  Check out their website - and they often answer quicker than NRA.

I have heard that dirt filled tires are not a good idea as low velocity pistol rounds can riccochet off them - I think that's one thing our guy learned at the NRA seminar.  I was bummed as  I was hoping our range would be a partial solution to our community's tire disposal problem.

If you are in snow country, give some thought to parking, snow management, removal during winter months, and like another person said, drainage in the rest of the year.  Speaking of drainage, you might have to consider if the range drains into that creek - what sort of stuff will be draining in?  You won't want mud dirtying the creek and you won't want to be concerned that lead or other stuff is getting into it either.

We wish we had a small plow or harrow to break up the range floor to reduce riccochet concerns.

It sounds great that you have a big hill for a back stop.

Its been a long time since we got our new range built on city property so I forget other details.

Also, you should check to see if there are any NRA Range consultants nearby who are willing to visit the site.  We had to pay to have a guy fly out and review the site for the City to agree to build it.  But its worked out pretty well for us.

Good luck.  I've off and on dreamed of being set up like Mike Venturino - my own private range in my back yard!
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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2006, 07:15:23 PM »
Well, mine's not too fancy.  We currently have picnic tables at 50 and 100 yards.  A wooden bench at 100 yards.  A wooden table topped with astro turf  at 22 yards (to hold pistol stuff).

We will have two concrete shooting benches in w/in 60 days which will be "ambi" and have a nice wide concrete pad below.  We will top with carpet cut to fit.

We use oxy. tanks for gongs (no Hi-Vel. stuff on these)
We use wheel loader (extreemly large wheel loader) bolt-on cutting edges for Hi-Vel. shooting (the hardened plates are over 2" thick).
We use pallets to affix paper targets...just set the pallet(s) over a couple steel fence posts.

Steel plates (hard steel) can be found at construction equipment dealers (in the scrap bin) and can be purchased for scrap prices.  Or try large contractors in the area.  Grader cutting edges and wheel loader edges as well as dozer blade edges or end bits work well.  Oxy/gas tanks from gas supply house(s)...some will give, some will not...check welding shops too.  Cut off at different lenths to get different sounds.  

I mow the berm, built it to be able to mow it.

We post rules.

I have a small metal shed which is used to store targets, staplers, bowling pins, tape, small tables, shade unit, chairs etc.

It works pretty good w/o water or electric....but it would be nice!!!!

Plan to build shade over each of the two new benches as well.

We have three 55gal drums for trash....45 Cal. holes shot in bottom(s) to allow water to escape.

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« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2006, 05:49:58 PM »
Since you talked about a generator, I assume you are a bit away from your neighbors, so this may not be relevent to you.

I have people within 1/4 mile so I built a 2'X2' frame about 4' long and wrapped it in old carpet. I have it extending away from my bench,  so the barrel is in the tunnel created by the carpeting when I shoot. This cuts the noise by quite a few dbs. Since I installed this I have had no noise complaints. I do shoot some boomers.

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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2006, 08:35:25 PM »
I think the ideal gun range would be an eight foot corregated steel tube laid underground for 400 yards. Electric target supports on an overhead chain and push-button switches to select your range. Pressure ventilation through underground system of tubes to keep it at 55 degrees F year 'round. At the end of the range you could have a collection device to collect the bullets and recycle them and you could have your chronograph set up full time lit from above with lamps. The target would be lit so you could see it. No worries about neighbors complaining about noise or bullets landing on their roof (or worse). These could be built under any airport runway or in back yards (close ranges 25 or 50yds) space permitting.

You might even get away without letting anyone know it was there. . .
maybe I could bore a hole through my basement wall and under my neighbor's house - without them knowing it. . .   Hmmmm
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« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2006, 05:03:48 AM »
PaulS:

Nice to see somebody else that thinks along the same lines as me on this issue. My fantasy range is a 300 yard underground range that is surreptitiously dug under my neighborhood in such a way that nobody is aware of it but me. I could then just go to my basement and shoot high power rifle anytime I want.
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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2006, 11:22:56 AM »
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