US Military Bringing back .45 ACP

[lgm270]

Good news.  Dept of Defense is dumping the 9mm Berettas for a return to the .45 ACP handgun.  The specific gun has not yet been chosen.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htweap/articles/20060127.aspx

[NYH1]

Sounds like good news to me! :grin:

[Dusty Miller]

Finally, a bit of sense appears to be returning to the selection of weapons for our troops.  Now, lets see if they follow that up with some attention to the .223 "powerhouse" that our guys and gals are saddled with.

[Mikey]

That's about right, and it's about time too.  JMHO.  Mikey.

[jro45]

Yea but it says Don't hold your breath. You know how the Goverment is.
Slow about changes.

[Bowhunter57]

Not all of the branches of the military are going to get the 45 a.c.p. It is currently being distributed to SOCOM only. S.E.A.L.s, Force Recon Marines, Rangers, Delta and other Spec Ops will be the ones getting to use the 45 a.c.p.

However, it's a start. Perhaps after they see the effectiveness of this weapon, it will be more widely distributed to the other branches of the military.

Good hunting, Bowhunter57

[kyote]

there sure seems  to be a lot of talk about how what we are now using not being as efficent as it should be in the stopping power arena.that would be nice to see the ole .45 war horse come back.I am thinking it might look like the M-4 with so many acoooochements that it would take a 5 month block of instructions, and a crew to carry the add ons in to the field for ya.

[conrad101st]

just go glock 21 with night sites

[S.S.]

I have heard that H&K already has a pretty large contract in hand
but just through military scuttle-butt. We will see in time I guess.
Maybe a decent Rifle will Follow pretty soon :wink: Something in about
7.62 would be nice :grin:

[ibfestus]

They won't go to the .45 for the reason the women can't handle it and women in the military are a fact of life in todau's world. :cry:

[slink]

compared to having 15 rds and being easier to use well.  .45 ball wont reliably stop a chuck or a coon with a chest hit. Anyone who's tried much of this sort of hunting will tell you the same.  it's just had millions of lies told about it over the years. Not 1 guy in 10 is infantry, not 1 infantryman in 10 sees personal combat, not 1 guy in 10 in combat ever hits anyone with a pistol. So it's about 1 guy in 1000 using the pistol, and half the time, neither .45 nor 9mm does the job. So the chances of the caliber mattering a lick are 1 in 2000, not enough to make a hoot in hell's worth of diff.

[Dusty Miller]

That's why I'd like'm to go to a 230 gr. FMJ semi-wadcutter design.  At least it'd cut a hole all the way thru the opposition.

[slink]

I've used them on animals, might as well have been ball ammo for all the effect that they had.  Until I loaded a lead swc .45 200 gr to 1000 fps, I got no observable increase in performance over ball. some animals flopped at the shot, some ran off.  The 1000 fps swc did a bit better, but some still ran, and the recoil of such loads is pretty severe, especially in an alloy or polymer frame.

[S.S.]

Slink, you talk so much about the 45 not being worth a :DELETED:
but you sure seem to use one a lot?
and have more experience than anyone else on any of the forums with one?
But you sure seem to wound a lot of CRITTERS?
Maybe something a little smaller might help.
Maybe A little more range time may help too!

[slink]

I use much lighter bullets, in all calibers, at much higher velocities, and they work much better. Which is why I use them.  However, they are a PITA to make. So only a fanatic like me would bother to use them. I'd have to ask nearly $3 apiece for them, to make it worth my time to make them and sell them.  Nobody cares that much about their health, honor and freedom.

[williamlayton]

HUMMMM! light and fast or slow and heavy.
I like weight and prefer it too speed under most conditions.
I do like speed though I do not think it to be the best choice.
Blessings

[slink]

there's simply no comparison in the effect of a 230 gr bullet at 800 fps and an 80 gr bullet at 2300 fps. Same diameter, same recoil, same momentum, but the lighter, faster bullet has nearly 3x the energy, and man, does that difference ever show in the effect on the flesh and blood target.  That is, if the bullet is designed and made to maximize the use of that energy. :-)  Since the 230 gr .45 overpenetrates and wastes about  1/3rd of its 350 ft lbs of energy, and my design uses all of its 930 ft lbs, it's really got 4x the energy to work with.  

You don't need lots of penetration on men. That's why bullets designed for use on coyotes and small deer work so well against men. You don't want or need an exit wound or blood trail on men, the way you do on deer. You don't shoot men from the ass-end, the way so many jerks want to be able to shoot deer.