Can not disagree with you, Jim N Iowa. I don't buy guns to collect or consider handing them down, even though I have two grown sons, I just buy them to shoot with my better half. The S and W was simply too large to hold properly. (Combined weight, my wife and I go around 250.) The 617 we handled was a beautiful piece with an even sweeter trigger. However just like my GP100 is too large for my wife, so is the 617, and she liked the lesser weight of the Taurus as well. As I said, for fifty bucks I can have the trigger worked if snap-capping away during cop and spy shows doesn't reduce the DA pull enough. I feel as you do about DA, although more than half of my shooting my Ruger is at SA. And I reduced the trigger pull of the Ruger's DA from over 15 to around 8 by just snap-capping away a thousand times or so.