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Re: The Perfect Deer Rifle
« Reply #60 on: November 08, 2006, 11:37:16 AM »
The 7mm08 will fit a short action rifle and the others will not. Some people like the super light short action rifle for ease of carry.

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Re: The Perfect Deer Rifle
« Reply #61 on: November 08, 2006, 03:11:21 PM »
Your not talking real world here guy's. I used a 4x for years on a 7mm mag and had no trouble beyond 300 yds. And, the 284 win will fit a short action. A blind man couldn't tell the difference between a short and a long action. A short action mod 700 is 8" from the front of the action to the back of the rear tang. The long action mod 700 is 9";  just measured them!
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Re: The Perfect Deer Rifle
« Reply #62 on: November 08, 2006, 03:32:38 PM »
Real world,, mmmm, Then a longer action is shorter and lighter?

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Re: The Perfect Deer Rifle
« Reply #63 on: November 09, 2006, 11:56:28 AM »
Don, the range at which a 3x9 or (better yet) a 2x7 is superior to a 4x is about 25-50 yards when that big buck that's lain doggo under the brush pile until you've just about stepped on him comes boiling up headed for the next postal zone.  I hunted for 20 years with a 1.5x5 on a .300WM (out west) and never felt handicapped.  I traded it to a local (West Virginia) and he's gonna put a 6x18x50 on it "cause you need a big scope on a rifle that size".  Hey, it's his rifle, he can scope it however he likes.  All I got to say is these 100# deer better look out.
Since moving to Wild and Wonderful West Virginia, most of my rifles for hunting here wear 2.5's, 3's and 1.5x5's.  The rifles are an assortment of 7-08's, .300Sav, 7x57 and the like.  ;D

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Re: The Perfect Deer Rifle
« Reply #64 on: November 09, 2006, 02:36:15 PM »
I'm gona order another perfict deer rifle....LOL ;D

I thought I had found the perfict deer rifle when I got my Rem 700 Mtn LSS in 7mm-08 at which time I totally fell in love with the 7mm-08 caliber.  My Mtn LSS is a shooter, as in very accurate, however, I still hunt a lot and have been eying the Rem 7600 Pumps for quite a while now for the quick follow-up shot capability (when needed) without the worry about jamming like with an semi-auto.   

Grices just announced a special run of 7600's in 7mm-08 with a black laminated stock.  Wow...in my mind, for the kind of hunting I do, that just seems to be the perfect combination.  I've definitely got to get me one!  I'll hang on to my Mtn LSS and give it to my son when he gets a little older.

What are you guys thoughts on this 7600 + 7mm-08 setup?

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Re: The Perfect Deer Rifle
« Reply #65 on: November 09, 2006, 05:39:22 PM »
well butter my butt and call me a biscut, how did I not respond to this one?

perfect deer rifle.Hmmmm.I am going to pick what Roy W's. son picked.the .270 weatherby magnum (Ya think he was biased?).now we are talking deer rifles here....with a 3.5X10, duplex, matte, 30mm tube, leupold..shooting 130gr Barnes triple shock x bullets with a whooooole buncha RL19 below it.those other rifles can not kill a deer deader then this one can....
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Re: The Perfect Deer Rifle
« Reply #66 on: November 17, 2006, 11:15:50 AM »
I have a 7mm 08 and love shooting it in my Browning BLR. This cartridge seems to be very popular. One thing...why are there not very many factory offerings for it? There is a huge selection of 7mm bullets if one reloads. It seems as thought every ammo manufacturer loads a 140 for deer and a 120 varmint load...but not much else, unless I am just not looking in the right place. I would think there would be a deer load in 130 g and 160 g. If your gun doesn't like the 140's, your only option is to relaod with a different bullet weight. Any thoughts?

Also, I would agree that the .25-06 is pretty popular. Why hasn't anyone come out with a .25-08. I know the .260 was introduced, but I am surprised that it wasn't a .25-08.
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Re: The Perfect Deer Rifle
« Reply #67 on: November 17, 2006, 08:54:28 PM »
I just traded into a Kimber Montana in 7mm-08 to go with my Model 7-- 7mm-08--------now I own 2 perfect all round rifles. Well except for the big stuff---have a Sako .338 for that---but am considering throwing it into the mix to trade on a Beretta 471 Silverhawk 20ga SxS.

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Re: The Perfect Deer Rifle
« Reply #68 on: November 18, 2006, 04:02:23 AM »
Omaha,

What is the weight and length of the Rem 7 and Kimber all up but unloaded? What scopes?
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Re: The Perfect Deer Rifle
« Reply #69 on: November 18, 2006, 12:30:03 PM »
thought this was  worth readin,
Deer Rifle

I set out this week to identify the best deer hunting rifle available in the market. The rifle in the best caliber, that you could pick up and head to the woods, with absolute confidence that the deer you selected would be in the bag.

I opened my first reference book and discovered that Remington alone lists 51 different center fire rifle calibers. I then pored over numerous ballistics tables studying velocity, energy (foot-pounds), Short Range Trajectories and Long Range Trajectories. I studied different manufacturers bullet characteristics and suggested uses. I created tables and charts that would have impressed the most exacting physicists and became so confused I began to wonder if my Husqvarna, .308 Winchester, that I have hunted with for 33 years and has taken many deer with at ranges from 40 yards up to 300 plus yards, was adequate for deer hunting.

Then the realization hit me that the Indians took buffalo with bows and arrows and spears, and the American buffalo is far more difficult to kill than our Texas White Tail Deer. Fact is, deer are not at all difficult to stop. They are thin skinned, slight of build and if you can hit them right you can bring them down with a .22 long rifle, which I must add is now illegal. My father always contended that if a man had but one weapon, his choice was a 12 gauge shotgun. A 12 gauge will take deer down quite well with slugs, the current legal projectile for deer hunting with a shotgun. Another item came to mind to further clarify the situation, and that was an article I once read on weapons for self defense. It proclaimed that one hit with a .22 long rifle is better than six misses with a .45.

Now for a practical look at the right deer rifle for you. First you need a rifle you are comfortable shooting. They all make noise and kick. Some worse than others. Let me add here that on the shooting range, always wear suitable hearing protectors when shooting firearms of any kind. If every time you pull the trigger it hurts your ears or startles you, you will flinch, jerk the trigger, not hit what you are shooting at and eventually damage your hearing. In the field deer hunting, I never bother with hearing protectors because I seldom ever get more than one shot at a time at a deer anyway, and I can assure you when you see that deer in your sights and squeeze the trigger you will never hear the shot. Next we have what can be a biggy and that is recoil. You can bet if you wake up the morning after a session at the shooting range and your shoulder shows light red and blue marks where your rifle pounded you and is sore to the touch, you are not going to shoot that rifle enough to keep in practice. No practice, no deer.

Affordability of ammunition. If you cannot afford to purchase ammunition, you aren’t going to shoot enough to keep your hand in. No practice, no deer.

So now let’s make a composite of what we know and see what comes out. We want a rifle with a manageable noise level with light to moderate recoil in a caliber that is economical enough to facilitate regular practice and will still do the job.

We can probably eliminate any rifle chambered for any caliber that has “Magnum” in its description. Unless you have a specific need for a lot of punch for dangerous game, like the big bears, or extremely flat shooting, long range requirements, let’s pass on these. These will normally have a rather notable report when fired and also a recoil that could parallel trying to stop a small running bull with your shoulder. On top of that if you hit one of our White Tailed Deer in a good shoulder shot, you can bet your ringing ear drums that you have completely lost the meat in both shoulders due to damage by the high impact, high velocity bullet. Never doubt also, even at 300 yards, a 7mm Remington Magnum, for example, will go completely through a deer, break both shoulders and destroy the meat in both shoulders.

The difference in actions such as bolt action, single shot, lever action, semi-automatic, pump or slide action are all personal preference. I truly believe you will find that almost any American or European made rifle will shoot straighter and more consistant than the average hunter can hold and will do the job for you. You can pay a lot for checkering, jeweled bolts, engraving, special metal finishes, fancy wood and on and on, but in today’s market you can get into a brand new, very adequate deer rifle for $300 or less, and in $500 range I doubt if you could see them all in a day.

So the bottom line is this. In Texas you don’t have to be concerned about dangerous game like the big bears. You need a rifle you can carry or hold all day, that you enjoy shooting and you can afford to shoot on a regular basis. If you only go out once a year to sight in your rifle and then hunt from November to January to get your deer, you are missing 10 months of fun shooting, relaxation and fellowship at the range. You will never be as consistent a shot or as experienced with your rifle as the man who shoots all year long. The best rifle for hunting the Texas White Tail Deer is the one you practice with often and can consistently keep your bullets in the bullseye of the target on a one hundred yard range.

Larry J. LeBlanc/ CLM
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Re: The Perfect Deer Rifle
« Reply #70 on: November 19, 2006, 01:05:45 AM »

For over hunderd years 7X57 Mauser.

1901, sportized 1895 Mauser, iron sights, 22 inch barrel, Good shoulder strap


Today, Ruger M77,  7X57, a 2X8 scope, 20 barrel, 3.5 pound trigger pull, 140grn bullets and a good shoulder strap.

Why did I ever sell my 7X57 20 years ago?

Becuase I was a dummy
Gary
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