huge huge huge huge issue

[Theshootist78]

OK .... my father has HR 25/06 and he can not have any (highpower) calibers fitted to it. HR says that if the serial # starts with a HJ than it is only able to have low power calibers fitted to it. NO .35 WHELEN
, has anyone else ran into this issue

[Theshootist78]

I think i have the answer to the great Ebay question .... this is the reason that people are willing to buy a barrel for more than one from the factory ....... simply becaue you need someone to get the barrel from the factory and be willing to sell it .......In order for me to get a .35 whelen ... i would HAVE to buy it from ebay for WHATEVER the price is and than fit it my self.

if your reciever is onlder than a few years old they will not fit it at the factory for ( highpower ) calibers, you have to buy from Ebay,

[qajaq59]

My guess would be the factory doesn't think it is safe to do it. But I'm just guessing.

[quickdtoo]

H&R won't fit any asterisk marked barrel on the accessory barrel list to any frame made before 1999, that means the frame needs to have an NN or HN or later serial number prefix, J was built in 1995.

Tim

http://www.hr1871.com/Support/accessoryProgram.aspx

[Fred M]

Tim.
Does not look like anything has changed. HN, HU, or later are eligible for any rebarrel work. Am I right.

[quickdtoo]

HN or HU are fine, N = 1999, U = 2004. :grin:

Tim

[ironduke2]

My queston is ,I have an H&R serial number begins HK 1996 35. Whelen RMEF. Can I get a 35 Whelen or a 450 marlin put to that frame. Bob

[quickdtoo]

Bob, probably not, although the .35 Whelen doesn't have an asterisk by it, it's probably another error! :roll:  The only way to find out is to call em.

Tim

[Fred M]

Tim.
The first letter H then is not significant only the second letter counts like HN HU etc.. So what does the first letter H stands for?

So any letter before  HN 1999 like HK is not rebarrelable even though they are SB2 frames.

[quickdtoo]

The first H = Harrington & Richardson, first N = New England Firearms, the second letter is the year of build.

It will be interesting to find out what H&R says about having a .35 Whelen barrel put on a frame that was made in '96 that came with a .35 Whelen barrel, as in Bob's case, I have one of those same rifles.

Tim

[quickdtoo]

I just noticed some more errors on the acc barrel page, the .243 superlights aren't asterisked, neither is the .35 Whelen, .500S&W, .223, or .22-250!!

Tim

[rms4570hr]

My H&R has the HV at the start of the serial number what year was this frame made?I sure hope after 2000 because i just sent my ultra hunter back to the factory to be fitted with a 45/70 Gov't barrel :shock:



rms270hr

[quickdtoo]

V= 2005, build year info is in the FAQ and Help sticky.

Tim

[rms4570hr]

V= 2005, build year info is in the FAQ and Help sticky.

Tim

    HEHEHE thank's tim i was a little worried there for a sec.with all the talk about H&R not fitting barrels on some SB2 frames. :grin:


rms270hr

[James B]

I think the 45-70 is a low pressure barrel anyway.

[Grizz_]

I think the 45-70 is a low pressure barrel anyway.

Interesting. How low is it?

Thanks,

Grizz

[Theshootist78]

I guess the single justification for owning a single shot (ability to change barrels to any caliber cheaply) just flew out the window! (in my particular case)   All my friends say that single shots are gay: and that the only reason to buy a NEF/H&R is simple cheapness, guess they were right. Kind of sucks that the gun came with a 25/06 barrel, but i can not buy a 25/06 ( or any other '06 for that matter) barrel for it.

[Wlscott]

I guess the single justification for owning a single shot (ability to change barrels to any caliber cheaply) just flew out the window! (in my particular case)   All my friends say that single shots are gay: and that the only reason to buy a NEF/H&R is simple cheapness, guess they were right. Kind of stinks that the gun came with a 25/06 barrel, but i can not buy a 25/06 ( or any other '06 for that matter) barrel for it.

I guess I must be gay...



....since I like single shot rifles.

Sounds like you need new friends.

[Theshootist78]

ummmmmm...... well.....i do not ever remember saying " people who like or own single shots are gay"    never said that my friends said " people who like or won single shots are gay" .........I stated that i have had frends who said " single shot rifles are gay"....... since a rifle is not a human and is completly incapable of performing felatio or anal intercourse on another rifle i would have to rule out the posibility of them being homosexual or any other sort of sexual for that matter.
    I also never said " my highly inteligent friend said......"         so there is no reason to question your own sexuality based on your preference of rifle..... no offence ment , simpley stateing a fact of opinion

[Wlscott]

The point is..since you seem to have missed it....is that anyone that would make fun of something that you enjoy (single shot rifles for instance) doesn't seem like too much of a friend to me.  I get to play with a bunch of different types of firearms in my line of work and I still love to tinker with these little "cheap" guns.  

Making the statement "Single shot rifles are gay" implies that anyone associated with them are gay.  It is a negative statement geared to make you feel bad about somethign that you like to do.  You can try to talk it away all you want, but that's still the implication.

The switch barrel capability isn't the ONLY reason to own these rifles.  They are pretty darn accurate for the money, fun to tinker with, and easy to shoot/carry.  H&R has some rules regarding adding barrels to the guns....it's their game, so it's their rules.  You can either pick up a newer rifle, or pick up a barrel on the classified pages, or on E bay.  There's always a way to get it done if you want it bad enough.

[Theshootist78]

No; I understand your point, did not miss a thing. I am not overly sensitive to issues which may be at odds with teh opinion of others. I drive a Chevy, anyone with a dodge or a ford or a toyota or a nissan can and does call my truck junk, poo, trash, gay , ugly, no good ,rotten, useless or any combination of these and other terms. while i will admit that it may be a little ugly ( hitting deer can cause some uglyness) the other terms do not apply. If you do happen to be gay, i extend my deepest appologies on behalf of my 2 friends who happened to say what they said ( in a joking manner i must add). If you are not gay than I am sorry that you took issue with the comment. If they had used any other term than gay ( i.e. stupid, useless, junky, trash, rotten, not -as-good as a bolt action........) the issue would not exist. I was not the one who said it, therefore i had no part in choosing the particular word which was used. if i had said anything derogetory about singleshots i would have used a word other than gay.      I have 3 singleshots, and 2 muzzleloaders (singleshot by default) none of them are gay, .....well actualy now that i think about it .......they are all in the closet ....lolololololololololololololo

[poncaguy]

I Love my Handi's so much, I have 14 complete Handi's, I have no other barrels for them. They are great rifles for the money , for sure. I would probably have other barrels if I didn't have to send them in to be fitted.I still want a 500 and a 25-06...................... :lol:

[quickdtoo]

I think the 45-70 is a low pressure barrel anyway.

Interesting. How low is it?

Thanks,

Grizz

Sorry Griz, was gonna give this one a shot this am, but got sidetracked!

The .45-70 is a low pressure round in the trapdoor load level, but using Hodgdon data at 50kcup for modern rifle loads I think it's another story, although the pressure isn't extreme, the case head size and "bolt thrust" would be healthy.

Considering the .450 Marlin is considered a high pressure barrel by H&R, but max pressures are only 43kpsi in comparison, they probably should put the same restriction on the .45-70 barrel, although they recommend levergun loads as the maximum if you ask em.

But I think recoil puts and even greater restriction on both as far as most shooters are concerned!! :eek:

Tim

[Wlscott]

.....I have 3 singleshots, and 2 muzzleloaders (singleshot by default) none of them are gay, .....well actualy now that i think about it .......they are all in the closet ....lolololololololololololololo

Now that's freakin' funny!

[qajaq59]

they are all in the closet ....lolololololololololololololo

Hmmmm, maybe you better have a look and see what they're doing in there.  

[tanoose]

I just picked up a new 25/06 from gander mt. , it does not eject only extracts which is fine for me as its for target and coyotes only.  Its a handi rifle and the serial # starts with NV. I got this rifle for $189.00 and there are alot of people out there who dont own these rifles because they think that they must be no good because of the low price. Cheap is the price and the wood is actually not bad  but watch out coyotes because she is a fine shooter all i have to do is bring the trigger pull down a touch Later Tanoose

[Grizz_]

Thanks Tim

I figured as much. I see the .50 S&W version, I wonder what its pressure is. It looks to be made from the same barrel blank. That means the 45/70 is much stronger in the chamber area. Probably stronger than the .450 also, because the relief for the belt takes out a lot of metal.

It looks like the BC could actually be loaded to .458 win mag levels, 500gr at around 2000+fps.

I know the recoil would be nasty, but that isn't my point or interest. If I could get the piledriver to 2000fps for one shot without danger or damage to the gun I would like to do that for the penetration movie.

Have a great weekend.

Grizz

[quickdtoo]

Hodgdon shows loads for the .500S&W to 51.9kpsi if that tells ya anything about NEF/H&R strength. The .458 Win mag pressures are up to 52kcup.

I think the barrels are plenty strong, it's the underlug lockup that's the weak point of the frame, shooting full house loads with any high pressure load is going to take it's toll on the frame if shot enough, particularly those loads with the larger case head.

Seems to me, someone talked with CS about proof testing their frames, 70kpsi was the test level, I think, don't remember the caliber tho, or if they mentioned it. So they're not gonna break, but they may shoot loose over time as Fred had happen with his .257 Roberts.


Tim

[qajaq59]

I just picked up a new 25/06 from gander mt. , it does not eject only extracts which is fine for me as its for target and coyotes only. Its a handi rifle and the serial # starts with NV. I got this rifle for $189.00 and there are alot of people out there who dont own these rifles because they think that they must be no good because of the low price. Cheap is the price and the wood is actually not bad but watch out coyotes because she is a fine shooter all i have to do is bring the trigger pull down a touch Later Tanoose

I'm glad you said that because the 25-06 is really the only one that interests me. I want to see what a 25-06 will do with some picky loading, but not enough to drop $600-700 on one of them.