Author Topic: Prez's Speach on Illegals. (Read 1288 times)

rockbilly · « **on:** May 17, 2006, 12:17:39 PM »

I haven't heard any comments on Mr. Bush's comments reguarding immigration. I think it is a joke to sent the National Guard in with no authority to arrest or detain, what is their purpose, to direct traffic? Things are comming to a head rather quick on this issue now, I am afraid in their rush to do something (?) the congress, senat and prez will sell us out. :roll:

FWiedner · « **Reply #1 on:** May 17, 2006, 01:55:38 PM »

RB, that decision was made before the public debate began, and is the precise reason that the public debate did begin.

In Espanol the phrase is "comprehensive immigration-reform".

In Ingles, this translates to "selling-out".

They continue to dance around the issue mentioning this and mentioning that and they feign concern on minute issues, but when the dancing stops it all comes back to the same waste of time, a huge budget for doing nothing, an open border, amnesty for illegals, and total disregard for the legitimate concerns of middle America.

I figure that when America has been suffciently "browned"from the bottom up, it'll be done.

jimster · « **Reply #2 on:** May 17, 2006, 03:30:48 PM »

When I read in the paper tonight that the NG would not arrest, or detain, I got pretty upset. Why send them at all?
Then I turned the page and read....Mexico would sue if they did arrest or detain....

I'm as teed off as a man can be about now...I'm not liking the fact that my representives, and everyone else's representives is actually letting this happen. I can't hardly believe what I read tonight.

And all we can do is write letters.

DWTim · « **Reply #3 on:** May 17, 2006, 04:48:14 PM »

Rumsfeld was asked to comment on that. In a nutshell, the Guard are going to be carpenters, secretaries, and taxi drivers.

FWiedner · « **Reply #4 on:** May 17, 2006, 04:51:47 PM »

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And all we can do is write letters.

That's not exactly true.

If we could generate even half the coordinated effort that the illegals do, we'd be able to lick this issue in short order, and every other problem that this country has.

The problem is that no one wants to make those sacrifices.

The probable loss of income from days not spent at work. Travel to locations to support a cause. Possible confrontation with law enforcement. A potential arrest. Legal expenses.

Either the cause ain't big enough to be worth it, or nobody gives enough of a damn to have the guts.

When you're a poor illegal alien, what have you got to lose?

But when you're a middle-class wage-earning taxpayer, you've got everything to lose.

I think the choice is whether we think it's worth it to lose creature comfort for the short term in order to win our nation back from politicians and an invading enemy hoard in the long term.

If we would just take to the streets in greater number than they do, we could slap this thing down. FAST.

:?

rockbilly · « **Reply #5 on:** May 17, 2006, 05:10:17 PM »

:twisted: Our relationship with Mexico is totally out of control. When the two illegals sued a South Texas rancher and ended up owning his ranch I thought it had gone too far. I understand they sold the ranch after it was awarded to them in court, took the money and moved to Kalifornia with their new green cards. Its time we tell the folks in Washington that we elected them to conduct our business, not prez Fox and his crew. Even the statement from a mexican authority is suspect, who is in charge anyway?

We need to take America back, tell the Mexican government to buzz-off, and start running this country in the best interest of its citizens, not the illegal mexican immigrants.

ms · « **Reply #6 on:** May 18, 2006, 12:59:15 AM »

:-D Our relationship with Mexico is totally out of control Bush said mexico was are friend. They won't be happy until the white man is out number in this country. long live the white man that made this country.

Savage .250 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 18, 2006, 02:41:08 AM »

To secure the US border and deal with all the illegals who are demanding "their" rights the Prez has presented an ambiguous plan to this country that is driven by party politics rather than whats being demanded
by the over whelming majority of it`s citizens.
Looks like in this case the squeaky wheel( illegals) get the grease.................amnesty.

Shorty · « **Reply #8 on:** May 21, 2006, 09:46:32 AM »

I read, over and over, that "we" need "them" because they;
wash our cars
trim our hedges
mow our lawns
clean our houses
clean our pools
pick our produce
watch our kids
etc.
Well, I still do all of that myself! So, where do I get one of those? :wink:

Brett · « **Reply #9 on:** May 21, 2006, 11:41:12 AM »

:-D :-D

Shorty, your right on the money. I've been working so much OT to pay for my health insurance and my housing, you know the things the illegals get for free or almost free, that I don't have the time to mow my own lawn, wash my own car, weed my own garden etc., etc. Guess I'll need to find me an illegal too.

I say give them all amnesty... then the government can tax the living crap out of them like they do us. When they see a third of their pay checks disappear like ours do they may decide to go back home. :lol:

nomosendero · « **Reply #10 on:** May 21, 2006, 03:13:40 PM »

TM7, I don't know, but I would sure work anyway I knew how to get him elected!
If he could not be nominated as the Republican Candidate, (although I don't see any worthy opponent) maybe he could run on the Constitution Party. One can only hope.

powderman · « **Reply #11 on:** May 21, 2006, 04:25:35 PM »

What part of the word illegal is so hard to understand??? They laugh at our laws and flaunt them in our faces. They make a mockery out of the millions who have gone through the legal channels to become citizens. I resent the illegals being called immigrants, they are criminals and I see them as invaders and should be treated as such. I'm sick of hearing about their rights. The true immigrants of years back worked hard to become citizens, and were proud to be called AMERICANS. Many, if not most, of these invaders want nothing to do with being Americans, they want only the perks of life here. Free medical care, free schooling for their illegal kids, food stamps, and non taxable work. They refuse to learn the language, or speak it, we speak ENGLISH here. They seem only interested in setting up their own little tijuanas and go yabba dabba doo all day. A woman in Lou almost lost her baby last year, she called 911, but the operator, for some insane reason, spoke english. They traced the call, baby's life was saved. She'd been here 6 years and refused to learn the language. If folks want to go through the legal channels, immigrate, adapt, learn and speak english, I say, welcome friend. If they refuse to learn and speak english, GO HOME. We went out for our 26th anniversary to a Golden Corral restaurant on May the first, when they went on strike. I asked for the mgr before we left. I told her that this was the first time in 4 trips I had actually gotten a decent piece of steak the way I asked for it because there was an AMERICAN serving that night. I told her that I always asked for medium, but always got whatever the mexican put on my plate because he didn't speak english, I also said that on the last trip I asked where the mushrooms were and only got yabba dabba doo. I told her that I hoped they were striking my next trip. No amnesty, lock the borders for the illegals. Fine or imprison companies who knowingly hire them, shut off ALL aid to them, and fine those who help them. The coyotes should be shot, they are vermin trading in human life. Rant over for now. POWDERMAN. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

ms · « **Reply #12 on:** May 22, 2006, 03:04:55 AM »

YOU TELL THEM POWDERMAN!

magooch · « **Reply #13 on:** May 22, 2006, 05:08:30 AM »

Quote from: Shorty

I read, over and over, that "we" need "them" because they;
wash our cars
trim our hedges
mow our lawns
clean our houses
clean our pools
pick our produce
watch our kids
etc.
Well, I still do all of that myself! So, where do I get one of those? :wink:

To be sure, most of the items you list are negligible and wouldn't be a problem if they were left unattended by illegal workers. However, that cannot be said for the "pick our produce" catagory. What we're talking about here amounts to a lot more than just picking produce. We're literally talking about this nations ability to feed itself. If all the wetbacks and other illegals were removed overnight from our agri-industry it would be devistating and the resulting chaos would more than likely lead to...well, unbelievable chaos.

Our legislators aren't totally without a clue; they know very well the enormity of the problem and that it is going to be frighteningly disruptive, no matter what steps are taken. What they are hoping is that whatever they do, doesn't cause a bigger problem that what we already face. They however, are looking down the barrel of the electorate who want something done, so they know they can't ignor it as they were willing to do before 9/11.

Don't expect anything draconian to happen and as much as I would love to see very strict controls enforced, I can't honestly say that I don't care about the unintended consequences.

DWTim · « **Reply #14 on:** May 22, 2006, 05:31:11 AM »

Quote from: magooch

If all the wetbacks and other illegals were removed overnight from our agri-industry it would be devistating and the resulting chaos would more than likely lead to...well, unbelievable chaos.

Well, let's talk about realistic possibilities, then. It's completely impossible to remove them all overnight. They can do it quickly if they want to, but we're talking a period of months or years. And no, it wouldn't be devastating for me. If California produce went too high, we'd just start growing it in our state again (CT) like we did between the 1820s and about 30 years ago.

powderman · « **Reply #15 on:** May 24, 2006, 01:38:18 PM »

Maybe not overnight, but it won't happen unless we get started. I wonder what some of these jobs would pay if the invaders weren't here??? I'd imagine that employers might actually pay a living wage. POWDERMAN.

rockbilly · « **Reply #16 on:** May 25, 2006, 12:38:22 PM »

:shock: I think without the mexicans we would pay a higher price for goods and services, but our taxes should reduce and balance things out.

Many of the jobs "that only a mexican will take" could be filled by willing Americans if the wage was higher. The higher wage would likely take many Americans off welfare.

To send them all home may hurt for a few days, but I still know how to grow a garden and feed myself.......... :roll:

rockbilly · « **Reply #17 on:** May 26, 2006, 08:16:59 AM »

:roll: TM7. Only problem, most of em don't go home. Not only do they add themselves to our welfare roles, they bring their wife and children over for some of the free money.......

A group doing a study here in Central Texas found that well over 80% of those who came here illegally remain for the rest of their life. A large percentage of the men marry citizens (some buy a bride) so they can stay, a great many of those also have a wife and children south of the border. :shock:

Tn Jim · « **Reply #18 on:** May 27, 2006, 05:44:40 PM »

Powderman, you and I think so much alike it's scary. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Brett · « **Reply #19 on:** May 28, 2006, 02:28:46 AM »

I'm beginning to wish I had been born in Mexico so that I could sneak across the border into the U.S. and get all these freebies and handouts tax free. :cry:

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 28, 2006, 04:54:54 AM »

I have one hell of an idea , lets charge a 50% tax on all money transfers to Mexico and charge $100 to send a letter to Mexico , that way all of the money that they ( illegals ) are sending home will help pay for more border patrol agents and cover all the other expences that come with them .

While we are at it lets raise the cost of imported food products to the same level as what it costs an American farmer to grow them , so we do not have to make someone from another country rich with his slave labor wages while we loose jobs.

And lastly do you think we can get our goverment to give us the same tax breaks to move to some third world country that they have given to the companys that have moved our jobs there . :evil:

DWTim · « **Reply #21 on:** May 28, 2006, 05:18:24 AM »

I think a 50% tax is a bit up there, but I know exactly where you are coming from. Like I've said before, there's two things that need to be done: 1) Curtail or eliminate the entitlements, and 2) secure the border. The first politicians that come out for these two things, and these two things first, will get my support -- and probably yours, too. If we were to enact the 50% tax as a punitive measure, it would be a failure if we didn't know who were the illegals, so the first priority is to secure border. And until we counter that socialist culture, that 50% isn't going to put our government treasuries in the black, because you know they'll throw more free money at the illegals and the ineligible, just to spite us.

At this point, I'm getting a bit spiteful myself. It'd be an understatement to say that I'm upset. I'm being called a "racist", a "nativist", and an "isolationist". That name-calling demonstrates to me that there is no logical argument to be put forth from the "other side". They won't concede that their social programs are failures, and they offer only anecdotal evidence in response to well-prepared legal, economic and social arguments. Look, folks, I don't mind immigration, but I sure as heck don't want anarchy!

At this point, I'm so damn cross, if any of my local politicians take up the right side of the issue, I'm gonna push that 'Yes' lever so hard in Novemember that it's going to break off.

rockbilly · « **Reply #22 on:** May 28, 2006, 06:12:58 PM »

:x Based on what I have read, the majority of the Americans share the saame opinion that most of us share. Tighter border controls, and no amenest for the illegals that are currently here. It has been estimated, that put to a vote, both issues would pass by approximately 75% margin.

If thios is the case, what part of tighter border controls and no amnesty is it that the senate/congress/prez can't understand?

This should be a big issue when those that fail to do our bidding come up for re-election. :roll:

Brett · « **Reply #23 on:** May 29, 2006, 03:15:25 AM »

Maybe the real question is what is it that we are not seeing or what information are we not privileged to? There has to be some reason why they are so reluctant to pass reforms with with some teeth to it. And don't' tell me it's for the votes because that makes no sense... 1) illegals can't vote. 2) and as Rockbilly said 75% of the population wants something done. I don't buy the greed theory either. What good would be all the money in the world if the US economy collapses?

magooch · « **Reply #24 on:** May 29, 2006, 04:48:33 AM »

A lot of campaign money comes from sources who have an interest in keeping the cheap foreign labor available. I also believe that too many politicians are living in the past. This crap about all of our ancestors were immigrants etc. etc. That was then, this is now. And there is a huge difference between legal and illegal immigration.

When it is said that illegal immigrants can't vote--I'm not so sure. The dead have no trouble voting in Chicago and some other Dumbycrat strongholds. Even if the illegals don't/can't vote, a hell of a lot of their "legal" countrymen are sympathetic to the illegal's plight.

I'm sick to my stomach about our squishy soft headed politicians who don't understand the concept of borders and legal citizenship. They are a disgrace and a slap in the face to all the real Americans who have fought and served in our armed forces to protect the integrity of this country.

DWTim · « **Reply #25 on:** May 29, 2006, 05:41:14 AM »

Perhaps it's because Mexico accounts for 20% or our oil supplies? I've heard this one put forth as a reason. I have not verified this yet, but apparently the Congress voted to open up the Alaskan oil fields and allow expanded offshore operations in the Gulf. Looks to me like Congress is hedging.

Tn Jim · « **Reply #26 on:** May 30, 2006, 04:54:57 AM »

I have heard "We are a nation of imigrants" until I want to puke. At what point do we stop being a nation of imigrants and become a nation of natives? I know for a fact my family has been here for seven generations or better. I served for protect this nation as well as many of my ancestors. To watch our elected officals turn their nose up at our wishes and vote their own agendas makes my irate beyond words. :biggun: :evil: :evil: