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Offline Gallahad

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« on: May 29, 2006, 04:30:39 PM »
I had an h&r ultra rifle in 243, and it would eject the spent cases, I just got a handi rifle, and it only extracts, leaving you to have to pull out the spent case. Just want to make sure this is normal for handies, and mines not supposed to eject? :D

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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2006, 04:50:19 PM »
All new Handi/Ultras have extractors, it's normal, ejectors are going extinct.  :(  

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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2006, 03:51:04 AM »
That's strange, my new (2006) rifle has an ejector not an extracter.

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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2006, 04:24:22 AM »
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That's strange, my new (2006) rifle has an ejector not an extracter.

This is because NEF is using up all the ejector barrels they have in stock...no actual number has been issued by the factory of the total ejector barrels shipped this year..and it will be the luck of the draw when ordering a rifle from any of the on-line dealers.....Also they will not be making anymore of them for future sales..They all will be eventually this way..and sounds like you got one of the last batches of ejectors.Both my 25-06 and 280 barrels I sent in for have extractors..as well as several others here having the same.

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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2006, 05:19:25 AM »
Any idea why they dropped the ejector? Were they a problem?

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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2006, 05:22:31 AM »
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That's strange, my new (2006) rifle has an ejector not an extracter.


What caliber?

Thx,

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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2006, 05:25:43 AM »
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Any idea why they dropped the ejector? Were they a problem?


Too many stuck case issues and they consider the ejector a safety hazard with the flying brass. It's been discussed many, many times before, please use the search feature to see more on the subject.

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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2006, 05:43:57 AM »
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Quote from: BlueSky
That's strange, my new (2006) rifle has an ejector not an extracter.


What caliber?

Thx,

Tim


It's a .30-30, I just picked it up a earlier this month.

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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2006, 07:42:59 AM »
Too many people cried about having to hunt up their brass throwen out by the ejectors.  By switching to extractors they have lost one customer.  I won't own one with extractors.  All of my Handis have ejectors, and that is the only thing I will ever own from NEF.
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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2006, 07:55:34 AM »
:agree: , I agree, the ejectors were MUCH better and I don't believe I will buy any NEF's/H&R's with extractors either. No new guns for me, I will only buy the older (and better) ejector fitted barrels....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2006, 08:38:40 AM »
In the FAQ there are instructions how to convert from ejector to extractor.  I wonder if there will be a way to do the reverse on the new barrels?

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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2006, 11:03:05 AM »
This has been discussed numerous times too,  the underlug is built completely different, it will take someone willing to do the engineering and machine work, IE a guniea pig!! :eek:  Ejectors are spring driven, even one that's been converted, extractors are purely mechanical with no springs.

FAQ has been edited, thanks! :wink:

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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2006, 04:20:41 AM »
I believe H&R really shot themselves in the foot by eliminating the ejectors and converting to the cheaper extractor mechanism. I am also sorry to say it may have been fueled by complaints made by a few members here regarding sticking cases.
Again, as the old adage goes, "be careful of what you ask for, you may get it".  Now the great majority of us will suffer, as will the sales of the newer, more cheaply made Handirifles. My prediction holds, the value and prices of the older and better ejector fitted barrels will increase, especially for those of us that are primarliy hunters and occasional bench shooters. Those valus will go up in proportion the the decreasing sales of the newer extractor fitted Handis. Sadly, as has been said, it was simple and easy to convert an ejector barrel to an extractor barrel but as yet it is not possible to convert an extractor barrel to an ejector style barrel, and it may never be so. If in fact it is ever possible it will be most likely be prohibitvely expensive. Also for those that failed to clean thier guns properly and expierenced stuck cases there was also to easy fix of installing a stronger of an extra ejector spring of smaller diameter inside the original spring, but instead of doing this they elected to blame H&R and complain, now look what we have, a less desireable  product that may please a few malcontents....<><.... :(
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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2006, 10:53:41 AM »
I just got a 25/06 extractor only and i just love it . As per NEF they made the switch because of to many complaints of stuck shells.  To many rifles sent back to them so they went with the extractors which according to them is much stronger now you can probibly take advantage of the cheaper priced surplus ammo that used to get stuck because of higher pressures .in 223 308 etc. or how about some of you guys who handload some hot but safe loads now you can do so with no problems.and some of you who tried high energy ammo that stuck before now you can take advantage of there use.

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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2006, 03:59:14 PM »
I  have dissagree you MSP Ret I love the extractor vs the ejector, when I had my 243 everytime I broke it there was the feeling, did it stick this time. Even though case sticking was not completely the guns fault as it turned out, I never got the feeling I could depend on it.  

With the 204 there has never been the question the case is coming out.  and coyote hunting this year i did not feel hindered in the least.  Though some sort of hybrd would be nice a mechanical start with a light spring to finish, one that is  just heavy enough to clear an empty case.  

But I bet a mechanizim that could to do that would double the price of the gun.
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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2006, 06:46:55 PM »
FWIW...The only time I got stuck cases is when I used mil-surp ammo when I wasn't supposed too :oops: ..and I left the chamber oily  :oops:  :oops:

Other than that..none...nadda... zippo...Now I own 2 extractor barrels...a 25-06...and a 280...positive case removal 4 sure..but..since I didn't have the problem before even with hot loads..I personally just don't see the need for them...and agree with MSP...Now...for those who love them..I'm happy for  ya...but I'll be like MSP looking for older barrels when I can...I appreciate the ability to smack someone in the eye who is sneaking up behind  me :)  :)  :)

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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2006, 07:24:52 PM »
I got the best of both worlds, a manual exractor and an ejector. Great system. When I am out varminting with my 6x47 I fire a lot of shells 50 plus when there are a lot of gophers out. Can hardly keep up with reloading.

I don't carry cleaning equipment and the chamber gets dirty. No worry with my little tool in my pocket the odd stuck case gets out in no time. I like this system.

But for varmint hunting I could live with an extactor system. A short stick with a piece of paper towel wrapped around get the chamber clean in a jiffy.

If I ever get one of those extractor  actions I will try to rework it to do both extract an eject, should not be too big a job.

Somebody was supposed to get me a drawing how the extactor is made. I might get rich doing conversions.
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« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2006, 06:38:00 PM »
When I'm out prairie doggin, I sure don't want to be chasing my brass down.
I'd a lot rather take a few seconds to take it out by hand in order to keep track of it and toss in the bucket.

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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2006, 06:10:33 AM »
Does the new style extractor only design offer greater mechanical advantage compared to the ejector design?

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« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2006, 06:34:10 AM »
Definitely! The ejector is spring driven, extractors are mechanical, no springs, the spent case is lifted out of the chamber as the action opens, if the case is stuck, the action won't open easily, if more force is applied to opening the action, the spent case is coming out or the rim is going to be ripped off! Most stuck cases don't require that much mechanical advantage to remove, but it's there if ever needed, whether we need it or not. :(

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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2006, 01:52:22 PM »
Thanks for the information. I might like to get a .38-55 extractor barrel to go with my current ejector version. I've had a few stuck cases in this gun.

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« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2006, 03:04:23 PM »
Stuck cases in a rimmed caliber??? Unheard of from what has been posted here before. :?
 
Just an FYI, make sure they have the extractor barrels available in .38-55, they may still be available with ejectors. If you order one, be sure to specifiy extractor if that's what you want, just in case.

Here's a thread that may pertain to the .38-55's chamber issues that may help you with your .38-55.

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=384250&highlight=#384250

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« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2006, 12:32:27 AM »
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THE 38/55 CHAMBER, A BUDY OF MINE HAS GOT  THE TARGET MODEL 38/55 WHEN HE GOT IT I POLISHED THE CAMBER FOR HIM CLEAND THE ACTION AND DID THE J& B JOB IN THE BARREL. HE BAUGHT THE LYMAN .378-674 335GRN BULLET WHICH DROPS A BULLET AT.380 HE GOT A CUSTOM  SIZER FROM LEE AT .379, AND A NEW EXPANDER PLUG AT .379 FOR THE LEE EXPANDER DIE,AND A LEE UNIVERSAL DECAPING DIE IT DOES NOT SIZE THE CASE JUST POPS OUT THE PRIMERTHE .379 EXPANDER PLUG CAN BE BAUGHT FROM TRACK OF THE WOLF  HERS THE PAGE SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS BUT KEY BOARD IS PLAY ING UP.
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