Author Topic: Swedish ag-42b Ljungman (Read 3111 times)

Cheesehead · « **on:** May 31, 2006, 05:57:35 PM »

Anybody own one of these? How do they shoot? How much do they cost? Where do you buy them? I seen one at a gun show one time only. They wanted 400 bucks. Seems a little high.

Cheese

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #1 on:** May 31, 2006, 06:13:50 PM »

I owned one of them for a time , great accurate rifle and at $400 it would have been a steal I had to pay $500 to score one. BUT one thing you cannot do is fire commercal ammunition in a Ag42b, as it is loaded with powders with way too slow burn rates. Just like an M1 garand you can destroy an ag42 in short order with the wrong ammo. And since surplus 6.5x55 ammunition has gone the way of the dodo an AG42 is an handloading only propisition.

If you find one get it while the gettin is good as I believe the last of these were imported in the 80's

Mikey · « **Reply #2 on:** June 01, 2006, 03:29:25 AM »

Cheeshead - I have one that is a ball to shoot. I use the S&B ammo in mine and do not have a problem with it. I can understand the concern raised by krochus but feel the S&B is the ammo to use. Mine shoots like a hoot and a bunch of years ago I even scored a 3 pack of 30 round magazines for it.

One of my 'projects' is to replace the stock with something custom (probably have to make it myself) and less 'clunky' and to find a nice, lightweight scope mount for it as the receiver on mine has already been tapped and threaded (came that way) on the left side of the action.

Unfortunately, the prices on these semi-autos have risen quite a bit since I purchased mine but if you can fine one for about $500 or less you should be doing alright. HTH. Mikey.

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #3 on:** June 01, 2006, 11:18:49 AM »

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mine has already been tapped and threaded (came that way) on the left side of the action

ALL Ag42 rifles have those holes in the reciever, The Swedes never scoped these rifles so the general concensus seems to be that they were used in the manufacturing process. So if you chop into the stock you will be bubbatizing an original example of one of the more valuable and rare milsurps.

Cheesehead · « **Reply #4 on:** June 01, 2006, 12:42:50 PM »

I was thinking the ag-42b would compliment my collection of Swedish rifles. I did not realize they were so expensive. Heard a few good things about them. Are they tack drivers like the 96's?

Cheese

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #5 on:** June 01, 2006, 03:03:48 PM »

Quote from: Cheesehead

I was thinking the ag-42b would compliment my collection of Swedish rifles. I did not realize they were so expensive. Heard a few good things about them. Are they tack drivers like the 96's?

Cheese

My Ag42b shot better than my 2 M96'es

Victor3 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 02, 2006, 02:52:03 AM »

The Hakim is a nice alternative. Cheaper to buy and shoots the more available 8mm.

Hakim on top, Anschutz Hakim airgun trainer is below it...

Mikey · « **Reply #7 on:** June 02, 2006, 03:14:42 AM »

krochus - that is very interesting to find they were all drilled and tapped - I had the thought that the 'b' designation indicated a sniper rifle as with the M41b's but found out I was wrong on that one too.

My idea for a project rifle was to begin with another stock. My Ljungman is all matching, stock included and I wouldn't bubbatize that, believe me. I would, however, appreciate a stock more to my liking as the original is a tad big all over (lol - must be the 'Swedish' in it.....).

And yes, mine is verry accurate and I would love to improve my ability to hit with it if I could find a nice lightweight mount to fit that hole pattern they drilled in the action. Mikey.

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #8 on:** June 02, 2006, 11:08:07 AM »

The B degsination denotes an upgrade of the original degsin. Off the top of my head I believe this involved a revised action cover a new rear sight and the addition of that funky little round bumper added to the right side of the action cover to deflect fired cases. To the best of my knowlege all AG42's were converted to the "B" degsination.

FYI did you know that the rear sight is graduated for 2 diffrent loads. If you pull the little pin just underneath the elevation knob the knob will come off allowing you to flip the range index over to the scale for the 158gr RN load. How cool is that!

Cheesehead · « **Reply #9 on:** June 02, 2006, 11:51:04 AM »

Mikey

What dollar value would you appraise your ag-42b at or what do you think it would cost to replace?

Cheese

1911crazy · « **Reply #10 on:** June 02, 2006, 03:12:50 PM »

The average price on the swedish ljungman ag42b is around $750 if you can find one for that. If you find one for less your a very lucky person so buy a lotto ticket too on that day. These are very ammo finiky too. You can not shoot the swedish sniper "M41b" surplus ammo out of the ljungman its too hot. Some are putting adjustable gas valves on there ljungman's too. I have no clue why the swede's never did it in the first place. I believe one of the other ammo's thats safe to shoot besides the S&B ammo is the FNM 6,5 target ammo. I'm not sure of the others like igman, priv-partizan. The PMC is too hot for the ljungman too. We have to be very careful on what ammo you put in the ljungman.

These are unique rifles to have and all three swedish designs make a great trio to have. (Egyptian 8mm Hakim, Egyptian Rasheed 7,62x39, and the swedish ljungman 6,5x55)

Mikey; If your looking for a ljungman stock to work on to make a stock that you would like to have numrich gun parts has ljungman stocks and a few guys have received new stocks. They are clean and purdy.

Mikey · « **Reply #11 on:** June 05, 2006, 02:07:46 AM »

D_MAN, krochus - thanks guys for the info. Cheeshead - I'd have to go with the D_MAN on the $. Mikey.

Cheesehead · « **Reply #12 on:** June 05, 2006, 02:16:41 AM »

Thank You for the good information. Great photos of the Ljungman on joesalter.com per DMAN. They are always sold out. That says something for their value.

Cheese

32WINSPL · « **Reply #13 on:** June 05, 2006, 05:24:17 AM »

You should check out www.ellwoodepps.com. They are north of Orillia, which is in the province of Ontario, Canada. Epps currently lists 2 ag42's in good condition @ 350.00 CDN. Sounds cheap by the prices you and others have mentioned. Of course, getting one over the border may be too much of a hassle. To me it seems that used firearms sell for a little more in the US then in Canada. Likely more demand in the States but I'm just guessing........................................................BC

1911crazy · « **Reply #14 on:** June 05, 2006, 01:54:25 PM »

Even the hakims here are hitting close to $500 lately too. And the rasheeds are around $650 now too. Of course all the other semi-auto's are well passed those too here just try to buy an FN49 lately too. I think were starting to see the future already on some stuff but in about the next 5 to 10 years everything will be out of site just like the antique stuff is now. Mainly because these surplus military guns are seeing a very high demand with the supplies running out and low on some stuff. Lets face it we all want a bargain so if you see it cheap, you better check it out really good and buy it quickly.

Slamfire · « **Reply #15 on:** June 06, 2006, 09:32:48 PM »

Did you ever wonder why every other gas operated self loader uses an operating rod, rather than the gas impingement on the bolt like this design?

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #16 on:** June 07, 2006, 12:11:21 AM »

Quote from: Slamfire

Did you ever wonder why every other gas operated self loader uses an operating rod, rather than the gas impingement on the bolt like this design?

like those pesky M16's and MAS 49/56'es

1911crazy · « **Reply #17 on:** June 09, 2006, 05:17:59 PM »

The French MAS 49/56 Commando Rifle is a well made fun piece to shoot too. That design is a dying breed we won't see anymore like these for sure. The late 40's up to the 70's are the best years for the top quality military semi-auto's its when a rifle was a rifle and it had real wood too. To me a military rifle just isn't the same without the wood.

The op rod actually sends the power to the bolt carrier to extract the fired case to jerk it free. The gas system does the same operation with no op rod just with the gas pressure. Which design is more dependable and reliable? I think having an adjustable gas system comes into play here too its a plus. I'd go with the op rod system just look at the ak47/sks. But it also depends on the ammo your using too and how clean it burns.

Slamfire · « **Reply #18 on:** June 09, 2006, 09:36:26 PM »

Quote from: krochus

Quote from: Slamfire
Did you ever wonder why every other gas operated self loader uses an operating rod, rather than the gas impingement on the bolt like this design?

like those pesky M16's and MAS 49/56'es

I lost all interest in French rifles, when I discoverd the earlier MAS came without a safety. The Arisaka has a wonderful one, and only requires one more part in the bolt assembly.

Is Mattel still makin' that other rifle? :roll:

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #19 on:** June 10, 2006, 12:25:17 AM »

Even though the gas port is in front of the breach Remington autoloaders 740/7400's technaly use a direct gas impingment operating system as well.

Slamfire · « **Reply #20 on:** June 10, 2006, 07:48:37 PM »

Quote from: krochus

Even though the gas port is in front of the breach Remington autoloaders 740/7400's technaly use a direct gas impingment operating system as well.

That's why I've had a 760 and a 7600. :-D

1911crazy · « **Reply #21 on:** June 13, 2006, 07:43:33 PM »

My MAS 36 in 308 has a safety lever on the top of the side of the receiver. I believe these were added on when they were converted to 308. All the 49/56's I have seen in both 7,5mm and 308nato have safety levers on the trigger assemblies.

glshop20 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 20, 2006, 05:16:27 AM »

I have a Ljungman and paid a little over 600 for it( good shape) It shoots very well and probably would do much better with a different sight. I use loads similar to those for the M-96 but dropped the velocity to save some wear and tear. It is alot of fun to shoot. Mags are tough to find so I am going to try a Hakim Mag and see if it works.(slightly different but fits and cycles) It does throw the empties pretty far. WATCH YOUR FINGERS WHEN WORKING THE ACTION!!! I have not got caught, but I think it would make Garand thumb look like a good time. Good luck.